macandally Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 All I know is, wherever the new stadium goes and how state of the art it might be, there will be Villa fans somewhere whinging 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 24 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Quite probably - but that's exactly the site I'd like us to buy for the football club - it'd give us space to develop open, up the roads a little more and if we were to build a new Villa Park between where we are now and the railway, open up an incredible space, sweeping across from the park to an open public space where the stadium currently sits that takes you from Aston Hall to the frontage of the new stadium. I think the site you've circled would be as good as any in terms of the best place to put a football stadium in Birmingham. It would open up the area below the expressway from the Aston Inn to the Aston Tavern with a route from Aston Station to a new fantasy ground. Spurs are the obvious example, given they are to build residential towers, a hotel and extreme sports hub, college and offices in an area smaller than the hypothetical area I highlighted. Add in an imax and the small concert venue it would turn a run down suburban area into a thriving rejuvenated part of Birmingham which Brummies would want to visit outside of Villa games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, thabucks said: It would open up the area below the expressway from the Aston Inn to the Aston Tavern with a route from Aston Station to a new fantasy ground. Spurs are the obvious example, given they are to build residential towers, a hotel and extreme sports hub, college and offices in an area smaller than the hypothetical area I highlighted. Add in an imax and the small concert venue it would turn a run down suburban area into a thriving rejuvenated part of Birmingham which Brummies would want to visit outside of Villa games. This would be great but what happens to all the current residents ? Politically feels like a non starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 16 VT Supporter Share Posted April 16 Just now, thabucks said: It would open up the area below the expressway from the Aston Inn to the Aston Tavern with a route from Aston Station to a new fantasy ground. Spurs are the obvious example, given they are to build residential towers, a hotel and extreme sports hub, college and offices in an area smaller than the hypothetical area I highlighted. Add in an imax and the small concert venue it would turn a run down suburban area into a thriving rejuvenated part of Birmingham which Brummies would want to visit outside of Villa games. Yep. As I've said before. Right on a redeveloped modern railway station 10 minutes into Birmingham and HS2 Connectivity. Smart apartment blocks with zero heating costs. Probably a few new bars around the new stadium to use. Sounds good don't it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 16 VT Supporter Share Posted April 16 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: This would be great but what happens to all the current residents ? Politically feels like a non starter. Politically solves a net zero conundrum. Ladywood is about to undergo wholesale redevelopment. Aston and Nechells has to be on their radar. The UK has the oldest, most inefficient housing stock in Europe and that just has to change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Politically solves a net zero conundrum. Ladywood is about to undergo wholesale redevelopment. Aston and Nechells has to be on their radar. The UK has the oldest, most inefficient housing stock in Europe and that just has to change. What about local residents being displaced ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 16 VT Supporter Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, thabucks said: It would open up the area below the expressway from the Aston Inn to the Aston Tavern with a route from Aston Station to a new fantasy ground. Spurs are the obvious example, given they are to build residential towers, a hotel and extreme sports hub, college and offices in an area smaller than the hypothetical area I highlighted. Add in an imax and the small concert venue it would turn a run down suburban area into a thriving rejuvenated part of Birmingham which Brummies would want to visit outside of Villa games. Also see Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 16 VT Supporter Share Posted April 16 And this in Perry Barr right next to the new railway station built for the Commonwealth Games. No one can tell me this isn't possible in Aston. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: This would be great but what happens to all the current residents ? Politically feels like a non starter. They get compensated above market value and I wonder how many are owned and how many are rented. Maybe they could be offered the chance to purchase off plan a new apartment or town house. It’s about what is best for the greater area and wider good and a new district would bring the whole area up in value. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, thabucks said: The amount of apartments, hotel beds, offices, retail, recreational and community facilities which could be built within the highlighted area would be a massive catalyst for regeneration and could also get government levelling up funding towards the wider area. It would add value to the remaining houses. That looks like an awful lot of houses in that area. Buying all of them is going to be out of the question. Not everyone will want to move, etc etc. Whilst that space would be ideal, it surely has to be impossible to acquire? Edited April 16 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted April 16 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: What about local residents being displaced ? What about the local residents living in damp draughty houses covered in black mould being crippled by heating bills needing to replace broken down windows, leaky roofs and unable to get rid of the black mould because the single skin brick walls can't be properly insulated? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tayls said: That looks like an awful lot of houses in that area. Buying all of them is going to be out of the question. Not everyone will want to move, etc etc. whilst that space would be ideal, it surely has to be impossible to acquire? The whole area would need to put under a Compulsory Purchase Order so they have no choice. We would need to prove that by doing so it would be of socio economic benefit to the local and wider area. Right now it’s shit housing stock with a football ground as its neighbour. Any development would need to include at its heart community beneficial amenities and services. The whole area from Aston hall to the academy building would be opened up into a thriving new district given locals more opportunities, jobs, entertainment etc. Edited April 16 by thabucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted April 16 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: covered in black mould being crippled by heating bills needing to replace broken down windows, leaky roofs and unable to get rid of the black mould because the single skin brick walls can't be properly insulated? To be fair most of this will be sorted once they move from St Andrews to the new stadium 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 6 minutes ago, thabucks said: The whole area would need to put under a Compulsory Purchase Order so they have no choice. We would need to prove that by doing so it would be of socio economic benefit to the local and wider area. Right now it’s shit housing stock with a football ground as its neighbour. Any development would need to include at its heart community beneficial amenities and services. The whole area from Aston hall to the academy building would be opened up into a thriving new district given locals more opportunities, jobs, entertainment etc. How long would a period of consultation or notice take for that kind of thing? Assuming we’d need to help every single resident find new housing within timeframes? I have no idea how this kind of thing works… as you can probably tell. I mean, with the new academy structure across the river, it’s clear that we will be staying in that spot. But I’d be surprised if we managed to secure such a large space based on the outline you gave (as awesome as it would be). Edited April 16 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted April 16 VT Supporter Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, Tayls said: How long would a period of consultation or notice take for that kind of thing? Assuming we’d need to help every single resident find new housing within timeframes? I have no idea how this kind of thing works… as you can probably tell. There is a couple of periods of consultation, and depending on the responses a public inquiry, so about 12-18 months. I have to say working in that field that there has to be fairly exceptional circumstances for a council to CPO land. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, Tayls said: How long would a period of consultation or notice take for that kind of thing? Assuming we’d need to help every single resident find new housing within timeframes? I have no idea how this kind of thing works… as you can probably tell. Nor do I but been reading this … https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1071500/CPO_guidance_-_with_2019_update.pdf and… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_purchase_in_England_and_Wales#:~:text=Compulsory purchase is the power,various bodies in various situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just noticed there’s a school as well in the area. Would involve having to move children to other schools or moving an entire school to a new building… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 29 minutes ago, sidcow said: Also see Brentford. I have to say, I hate the Brentford set up. The ground is okay, not amazing, but it's so clear it's been forced into a very limited space and so many 'complimentary' buildings around it. Never really sussed the transport as have a parking space not too far away, so maybe that's a plus? But, overall, 3/10 for Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, Tayls said: Just noticed there’s a school as well in the area. Would involve having to move children to other schools or moving an entire school to a new building… That does happen a lot more than you'd expect, maybe not for a new stadium usually, but I know it's happened in the Black Country in recent history, and I'm almost certain it's happened in Brum. Not supporting the idea BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, Tayls said: Just noticed there’s a school as well in the area. Would involve having to move children to other schools or moving an entire school to a new building… TBF it’s a very nice looking school also. We are just talking of a pie in the sky fantasy right ow based on board appointments. It may just be a case of spreading workload amongst trusted lieutenants and nothing bigger than that. One can but dream of new stadia and entertainment districts but nothing points to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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