Awol Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 3 hours ago, darrenm said: "coming over here, picking our fruit" I'd be amazed if they bothered to vote at all. Sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Found with hundreds of likes/retweets under a Tweet train saying 'Leave won because nobody listened to the fears of ordinary working people'. My head hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 At least we've moved on from samples sizes of one to a sample size of hundreds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Drop the snide. I'm not saying this is an attitude held by the majority (although i don't think it's a tiny minority) but the whole idea that people voted Leave because they were called bigots, when they were actually saying bigoted things pisses me off. Perhaps the wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Drop the snide. see the smiley , that means it wasn't a serious comment it's a light hearted jest , you're seeing something that isn't there I think anyone using twitter for a benchmark though is using flawed data , it's the home of the deranged and celebs pushing endorsements , it's hardly surprising your going to find crap like the stuff you found Edited January 3, 2017 by tonyh29 changed the tone slightly as it looked harsher than was intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I'm not using it as a benchmark. I'm merely lamenting that there are actual real human beings who believe the nonsense in that picture. Not as small a minority as we hope either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I'm not using it as a benchmark. I'm merely lamenting that there are actual real human beings who believe the nonsense in that picture. Not as small a minority as we hope either. But The Art of War is better: “ If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I'm not using it as a benchmark. I'm merely lamenting that there are actual real human beings who believe the nonsense in that picture. Not as small a minority as we hope either. its a few hundred people by your own words .... even if we took it as a % of the 17,410,742 leave voters rather than the population as a whole it's less than .00229% .. I get the sentiment , I get the case you are trying to present I really do , there are some fuckwits out there , I've made the same argument in other threads about just such people ... where we are differing is how we are viewing the importance of that % .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: its a few hundred people by your own words .... even if we took it as a % of the 17,410,742 leave voters rather than the population as a whole it's less than .00229% .. I get the sentiment , I get the case you are trying to present I really do , there are some fuckwits out there , I've made the same argument in other threads about just such people ... where we are differing is how we are viewing the importance of that % .. It's a few hundred people in this case, but look at the Britain First FB group. Facebook, I know, I know, but 1.5m followers and growing posting 'memes' along the same lines as what I posted above; this time with tens of thousands of likes and shares. If it was only a few hundred people with these views then I wouldn't feel so bloody downtrodden about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: If it was only a few hundred people with these views then I wouldn't feel so bloody downtrodden about it. So lots of people disagree with your opinion and some of them are dicks.. so what?! Disagreeing with people is a normal, healthy thing. Don't get so worked up about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Awol said: So lots of people disagree with your opinion and some of them are dicks.. so what?! Disagreeing with people is a normal, healthy thing. Don't get so worked up about it. Completely missed the point. Feeling downtrodden because of this attitude prevalent in the UK: is not simply disagreeing with an opinion. Edited January 3, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: ...is not simply disagreeing with an opinion. *resists posting Boromir meme* Okay, so what is it then? Disagreeing with a point of view? A collection of opinions? I genuinely don't understand how you personally feel downtrodden by the views of several hundred (or even several million) people? In the free market of ideas stuff like that will either stand or fall on its own merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) I'm really struggling how you can't grasp this. I guess that's just a difference in mindset. "If it doesn't affect me personally, i won't worry about it". However, I do feel like it affects me personally as I have a foreign girlfriend and I worry for her for when we move over to the UK together. I feel downtrodden overall because it's such a small minded attitude to take and that extent of nationalism is dangerous. As I previously stated, it is not only because I disagree with it. Edited January 3, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 3, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) UK EU ambassador Ivan Rogers has jumped ship. I daresay he was assisted in the jump, given he pissed off an awful lot of people by saying Brexit is going to be a very long car crash, in short. Probably not good news. I dread to think of who they'll replace him with. Edited January 3, 2017 by Chindie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, Chindie said: UK EU ambassador Ivan Rogers has jumped ship. I daresay he was assisted in the jump, given he pissed off an awful lot of people by saying Brexit is going to be a very long car crash, in short. Probably not good news. I dread to think of who they'll replace him with. Was it not the case he said a post-Brexit trade deal would take 10 years, and was promptly contradicted by people in the EU itself? He made a word removed of himself and has now gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I'm really struggling how you can't grasp this. I guess that's just a difference in mindset. "If it doesn't affect me personally, i won't worry about it". However, I do feel like it affects me personally as I have a foreign girlfriend and I worry for her for when we move over to the UK together. I feel downtrodden overall because it's such a small minded attitude to take and that extent of nationalism is dangerous. As I previously stated, it is not only because I disagree with it. No need to put words in my mouth, but yes we disagree on the level of drama required in reacting to a poxy picture on Twitter and what it really means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: However, I do feel like it affects me personally as I have a foreign girlfriend and I worry for her for when we move over to the UK together. I feel downtrodden overall because it's such a small minded attitude to take and that extent of nationalism is dangerous. As I previously stated, it is not only because I disagree with it. been there done that , I can honestly say we've never encountered any issues what's so ever , other than Thomas Cook who decided to try and treat my wife with years of experience and qualifications in Tourism as if she was a 17 year old school leaver when they offered her a job I think you are worrying far more than you need to on this ..unless your girlfriend is Muslim !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 3, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Awol said: Was it not the case he said a post-Brexit trade deal would take 10 years, and was promptly contradicted by people in the EU itself? He made a word removed of himself and has now gone. He said it could take 10 years, and could still fail. I've no idea if he was contradicted by the EU itself. A lot of Leavers didn't like him saying it though. Funnily enough a lot of Leavers seem very happy he's gone. A lot of people think it's a bad thing, he seems have a reputation as a good negotiator and also as one of a very narrow band of people who 'get' the EU in the government. Funnily enough a profile of I just read also described him quite Eurosceptic. The clamour seems to be to put a happy clappy Brexiteer in his place. As a few commentators are putting it, it's not a bad thing to have someone in this kind of position who can tell the government when it's wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: been there done that , I can honestly say we've never encountered any issues what's so ever , other than Thomas Cook who decided to try and treat my wife with years of experience and qualifications in Tourism as if she was a 17 year old school leaver when they offered her a job More stuff is out in the open since June. I don't think we've been so openly nationalistic at all costs in years. 6 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: unless your girlfriend is Muslim !!! You're admitting there's a problem then? What if she was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, Awol said: No need to put words in my mouth, but yes we disagree on the level of drama required in reacting to a poxy picture on Twitter and what it really means. I'm clearly not basing my entire opinion from a picture on Twitter, good grief. Now who's putting words in mouths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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