blandy Posted August 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Davkaus said: There are always some exceptions, but **** me, as a generation, the Boomers are just the **** worst. I don't think it's a good idea to call any generation the worst. It's just thoughtless nonsense and name calling to no end and with no evidence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, bickster said: So a comedy film released in 1970 foreshadowed Black Wednesday (1992) which had to happen because maggie said the Unions had too much power Yep, its all beginning to make sense Patrick Minford was barking mad then just as he is to this very day The word parody and satire was used I believe if you read my post properly. I was responding on why I believe the unions had to be curtailed and using the film as an example in satirical purposes for younger people who were not around then as a satirical example about the culture of the unions during that decade which in turn brought the conflict with Thatcher there after, Trying to twist it round to look clever really isn’t very clever. For all of your huffing and puffing on here there is still a Conservative government And it’s probably likely in four years time there will be again. No point trying to convince a board where the majority of the political thought is in your corner you need to convince the rest of the Country In addition to the comment you made earlier, re I’m alright Jack, I personally gave up a very large sum of money to do the right thing, Something I doubt very few people would So my conscience is more than clear because I have done something to help people in real terms Edited August 9, 2020 by Follyfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, meregreen said: Under FPTP his majority would have been much larger. He was initially under a coalition Govt. unfortunately his Conservative partners were outmanoeuvred by him. But as I say, under our system he would have been unleashed from day one. Not a good example for your argument. It was meant with a degree of humour. PR allowed him a voice when he led a very small party. It allowed him to be seen with more respected figures and gave him credibility when his vote share was very small. Later when his vote share increased he was able to form coalition a government.For me this is the biggest problem with PR.Parties after the election do deals with each other and come up with policies no one voted for.An example of this was in the Coalition government here in 2010.Lots of students voted Liberal Democrat because they said they said they were going to abolish university fees .What happens when they become part of the government,they vote for it. When I vote for someone I want to know what they are going to do,I don’t want them saying to me we changed our mind because we needed to do a deal with another party. Edited August 9, 2020 by Only2McInallys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: The word parody and satire was used I believe if you read my post properly. I was responding on why I believe the unions had to be curtailed and using the film as an example in satirical purposes for younger people who were not around then as a satirical example about the culture of the unions during that decade which in turn brought the conflict with Thatcher there after, Trying to twist it round to look clever really isn’t very clever. For all of your huffing and puffing on here there is still a Conservative government And it’s probably likely in four years time there will be again. No point trying to convince a board where the majority of the political thought is in your corner you need to convince the rest of the Country In addition to the comment you made earlier, re I’m alright Jack, I personally gave up a very large sum of money to do the right thing, Something I doubt very few people would So my conscience is more than clear because I have done something to help people in real terms via Gfycat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: I was responding on why I believe the unions had to be curtailed No, you weren't. You were responding to my post. I didn't mention unions and neither did you in the post that I was quoting from which said: 4 hours ago, Follyfoot said: The reason those years were ghastly was because the country was broken behind recognition. Agreed what happened was not pleasant but it had to happen. Just check the figures for the three years before Blair’s election, They do not lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, snowychap said: No, you weren't. You were responding to my post. I didn't mention unions and neither did you in the post that I was quoting from which said: Very clever, for clarification, I was answering on two different fronts, One stating that Tony Blair inherited a Rolls-Royce of an economy and secondly What happened with the unions had to happen which is what I believe you were referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bickster said: via Gfycat Very good, Ignore the content for a cheap laugh. You won’t get me i am part of the union you won’t get me I am part of the union....... Edited August 9, 2020 by Follyfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Follyfoot said: Very clever, for clarification, I was answering on two different fronts, One stating that Tony Blair inherited a Rolls-Royce of an economy and secondly What happened with the unions had to happen which is what I believe you were referring to. Very clear, you were not answering anything about the unions. You may have had something about the unions in your own head but that was not what was being discussed and what you were responding to. You were responding to @bickster about Blair's economic inheritence and to @meregreen who said: 6 hours ago, meregreen said: Labour presided over the longest period of sustained prosperity in 200 years. If you think they inherited an economy on the up, you need to revisit that opinion. I lived through 18 ghastly years of Tory Government. They destroyed the industrial base of this country on the altar of monetarism. They believed the financial services sector was the future, that turned out well didn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, snowychap said: You were responding to @bickster about Blair's economic inheritence who wasn't talking about it anyway and to @meregreen who said: FTFY just to be clear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Very good, Ignore the content for a cheap laugh. You won’t get me i am part of the union you won’t get me I am part of the union....... So it's ok for you to reference this great political satire but I'm not allowed to reference it in response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2020 All good as usual boys. To quote one of your own, this is how they do it. Logging off now to eat my swans and beat my Welsh housekeeper Whilst drinking a £1500 bottle of Merlot Toodle pip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Am I too late to reference the socio economic parallels within Carry On Up The Khyber? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Have to say, my commitment to the Labour Party has never felt stronger after some of the posts I’ve read today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, meregreen said: Have to say, my commitment to the Labour Party has never felt stronger after some of the posts I’ve read today Brilliant news, I would imagine the party down here will be out of this world when they get elected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Am I too late to reference the socio economic parallels within Carry On Up The Khyber? Usual quote, usual laughter, Funny how none of you have actually address the points I have made but would rather just find fault with my delivery. Not quite as seasoned as you obviously. To reiterate I believe what happened with the Unions had to happen as they held the county and government to ransom during the 70’s - please comment Secondly, I believe That Tony Blair inherited a Rolls-Royce of an economy which was on the way up for three years before 1997 - again please comment Also @bicster please follow through with your comment about me being alright Jack, Which I answered and was ignored. No trying to quote bits and pieces of the above, just answer the three questions and what your beliefs are as I have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Funny how none of you have actually address the points I have made Yes, people have addressed the points you've made and then you've pivoted and made other points claiming that this was what you were actuallly talking about all along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2020 29 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: I believe what happened with the Unions had to happen as they held the county and government to ransom during the 70’s - please comment Secondly, I believe That Tony Blair inherited a Rolls-Royce of an economy which was on the way up for three years before 1997 - again please comment I think there's something in both those points. On the first one - Union/Management relations were frequently terrible. This was as a consequence of diabolical management and also of over-done Union weight throwing. But what happened to the Unions, didn't exactly "happen" to them. It was more a deliberate act of Thatcher to destroy them. Not so much happen as imposed. She went way over the top. The Union leaders were mostly pretty useless and because of that Thatcher had more success with her OTT acts than she had any right to. The anti-dote to Nerve gas is Deadly Nightshade*. She administered Deadly Nightshade for a bad case of Food Poisoning. On the second point. Blair did inherit an economy on the Up, yes. But it's what you do with it that matters. He (or to be accurate Gordon Brown) got far more right than wrong In taking that on. *it's derived from deadly nightshade. and Thatcher was a witch. wiiiittccchhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Usual quote, usual laughter, Funny how none of you have actually address the points I have made but would rather just find fault with my delivery. Not quite as seasoned as you obviously. To reiterate I believe what happened with the Unions had to happen as they held the county and government to ransom during the 70’s - please comment Secondly, I believe That Tony Blair inherited a Rolls-Royce of an economy which was on the way up for three years before 1997 - again please comment Also @bicster please follow through with your comment about me being alright Jack, Which I answered and was ignored. No trying to quote bits and pieces of the above, just answer the three questions and what your beliefs are as I have done Having trouble finding your Welsh housemaid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: Since the end of the Second World War (75 years) only 3 labour leaders have won a majority in elections.That indicates to me we are a naturally conservative country. I think many people who lived through Blair’s governments just assume it will alternate between Tory and Labour governments. He did everything he could to bring Labour into the centre and won 3 elections with this policy.Many in the Labour Party would dismiss him as a Tory and maybe in certain areas they are right but if Labour ever wants to be in government again they are going to have to adopt similar views. And yet the people of the UK are overwhelmingly in favour of the NHS, a pure socialist creation. Which suggests that we are a naturally socialist country which votes against its interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Having trouble finding your Welsh housemaid? Just found her thank you, she says she’s looking forward to our meeting with my scumbag father-in-law , Big fan of yours she is Edited August 9, 2020 by Follyfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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