Super-Villan Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 We finished last season on 41 points. It's very difficult to see us getting that many again this year now, even if we do just about manage to avoid being sucked into the relegation fight proper. I understand the constraints Lambert is working under, but I don't think he's been able to build a good enough side even considering that. Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer. Speak for yourself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer. Speak for yourself. There are always exceptions. Poll mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer. Speak for yourself. There are always exceptions. Poll mods? I think there are probably quite a few exceptions in this instance. Just because you think Lambert should go in the summer doesn't mean everyone else does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer. Wrong man. Lerner has to go in the summer, you know it and I do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer. Wrong man. Lerner has to go in the summer, you know it and I do too. He doesn't necessarily need to go, he just needs to invest more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer. Wrong man. Lerner has to go in the summer, you know it and I do too. He doesn't necessarily need to go, he just needs to invest more. I would personally prefer any substantial investment to be done by somebody else. I think many agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer. Wrong man. Lerner has to go in the summer, you know it and I do too. He doesn't necessarily need to go, he just needs to invest more. I would personally prefer any substantial investment to be done by somebody else. I think many agree. Why exactly? I mean, the issue here is about investment is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys if we are being honest. We all know he has to go in the summer.Wrong man. Lerner has to go in the summer, you know it and I do too.He doesn't necessarily need to go, he just needs to invest more. I would personally prefer any substantial investment to be done by somebody else. I think many agree. Why exactly? I mean, the issue here is about investment is it not? I don't know but do we want another MON style situation when a manager buys a lot of average players, gets sacked, then new manager wants them all out. I think investment aside we've not seen enough from the manager tactically or for bringing out the best in his players for him to be cut out for the job. Say what you want about MON's signings but at least he had the ability to get the best out of average players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Surely Mantis finishing say 17th on 37 points (so a lower league position AND points then McLeish managed) has to be a sackable offence? It's not just a run of bad games, it's the whole seasons effort. I think that's a strong possibility now. I'm not going dramatic and saying we will lose every game as we won't but without Benteke's influence and the defence in a really bad state again that's not a good mix for attempting to win games. Think we'll get another 3 draws this season but I don't expect much more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Surely Mantis finishing say 17th on 37 points (so a lower league position AND points then McLeish managed) has to be a sackable offence? It's not just a run of bad games, it's the whole seasons effort. I think that's a strong possibility now. I'm not going dramatic and saying we will lose every game as we won't but without Benteke's influence and the defence in a really bad state again that's not a good mix for attempting to win games. Think we'll get another 3 draws this season but I don't expect much more than that. I still wouldn't sack him on that basis. I think we need stability and most of all more investment in the team. If Lambert gets it but we're still in this position this time next year then I'd get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Surely Mantis finishing say 17th on 37 points (so a lower league position AND points then McLeish managed) has to be a sackable offence? It's not just a run of bad games, it's the whole seasons effort. I think that's a strong possibility now. I'm not going dramatic and saying we will lose every game as we won't but without Benteke's influence and the defence in a really bad state again that's not a good mix for attempting to win games. Think we'll get another 3 draws this season but I don't expect much more than that. I still wouldn't sack him on that basis. I think we need stability and most of all more investment in the team. If Lambert gets it but we're still in this position this time next year then I'd get rid. And if we go down this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Surely Mantis finishing say 17th on 37 points (so a lower league position AND points then McLeish managed) has to be a sackable offence? It's not just a run of bad games, it's the whole seasons effort. I think that's a strong possibility now. I'm not going dramatic and saying we will lose every game as we won't but without Benteke's influence and the defence in a really bad state again that's not a good mix for attempting to win games. Think we'll get another 3 draws this season but I don't expect much more than that. I still wouldn't sack him on that basis. I think we need stability and most of all more investment in the team. If Lambert gets it but we're still in this position this time next year then I'd get rid. Couldn't we have just kept McLeish for the sake of stability when he kept us up on 38 points then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Surely Mantis finishing say 17th on 37 points (so a lower league position AND points then McLeish managed) has to be a sackable offence? It's not just a run of bad games, it's the whole seasons effort. I think that's a strong possibility now. I'm not going dramatic and saying we will lose every game as we won't but without Benteke's influence and the defence in a really bad state again that's not a good mix for attempting to win games. Think we'll get another 3 draws this season but I don't expect much more than that. I still wouldn't sack him on that basis. I think we need stability and most of all more investment in the team. If Lambert gets it but we're still in this position this time next year then I'd get rid. And if we go down this season? Probably, but ONLY if we could actually get somebody better in. Problem with the managerial situation is the horrific injury problems we've had this season and the lack of investment have made things less clear cut. That isn't to say that Lambert doesn't have many flaws and that he shouldn't shoulder a portion of the blame for what has happened, I just think it's hard to judge certain things about the club right now. Surely Mantis finishing say 17th on 37 points (so a lower league position AND points then McLeish managed) has to be a sackable offence? It's not just a run of bad games, it's the whole seasons effort. I think that's a strong possibility now. I'm not going dramatic and saying we will lose every game as we won't but without Benteke's influence and the defence in a really bad state again that's not a good mix for attempting to win games. Think we'll get another 3 draws this season but I don't expect much more than that. I still wouldn't sack him on that basis. I think we need stability and most of all more investment in the team. If Lambert gets it but we're still in this position this time next year then I'd get rid. Couldn't we have just kept McLeish for the sake of stability when he kept us up on 38 points then? Different manager, different situation. Edited April 5, 2014 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Surely Mantis finishing say 17th on 37 points (so a lower league position AND points then McLeish managed) has to be a sackable offence? It's not just a run of bad games, it's the whole seasons effort. I think that's a strong possibility now. I'm not going dramatic and saying we will lose every game as we won't but without Benteke's influence and the defence in a really bad state again that's not a good mix for attempting to win games. Think we'll get another 3 draws this season but I don't expect much more than that. I still wouldn't sack him on that basis. I think we need stability and most of all more investment in the team. If Lambert gets it but we're still in this position this time next year then I'd get rid. And if we go down this season? We will not go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Went to VP today and I thought given the side we were able to put out we got about what I expected. I have been saying all season that our first 11 is decent but scratch below that and the squad is very poor. I wouldn't throw the blame on Lambert for that though. He has been dealt a very poor hand in therms of finances. However 34 points from 32 games is simply not good enough. There has simply been no progress this season under Lambert. In fact compared to the back end of last season we have gone backwards. This club is a stagnating mess. On the pitch the players do their best but too many are simply way out of their depth at this level. The same sadly it seems could well now be said of Lambert. It kills me to say that by the way as I had such high hope for him and us. Edited April 5, 2014 by markavfc40 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 But if we did should the owners sack Lambert? Or is he the perfect man to bring us back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Id accept relegation if it is the only way to replace him and I would then renew my season ticket. If we stay up and he stays I will not. Premier League football isn't everything, we aren't going to be challenging for top 4 or the league or even Europe anytime soon. I at least want to see us try to play decent football and give it a good go, we don't. 90% of home games are awful and a chore to go to now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Lambert just do one and get out of the club now. A mumbling moron who continues to embarrass the club and it's fans . The desperate attempts of a few on here to defend him are head shaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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