Zatman Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hiddink 'outdated' have always felt he was overrated as a manager myself, South Korea got a lot of favourable decisions under him in 2002 and he failed to get Russia to 2010 World Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 To be fair, you need a bit of luck to make it to the semis with a team like South Korea. It was still a good achievement. As was taking Australia to the knock-out stages in the next World Cup and Russia to the semis of Euro '08. However since then, it's gone downhill and it has been clear for a while that his best years are behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 To be fair, you need a bit of luck to make it to the semis with a team like South Korea. It was still a good achievement. As was taking Australia to the knock-out stages in the next World Cup and Russia to the semis of Euro '08. However since then, it's gone downhill and it has been clear for a while that his best years are behind him. It was a lot more than luck 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Analyzing on Sky Sports after the game, de Boer didn’t hold back, calling Hiddink ‘old-fashioned’ and saying that the veteran coach was ‘done’: “I think Guus Hiddink doesn’t really have a game plan in my eyes. “He doesn’t show the guys ‘this is the way we want to go’. I want to see, for example, running midfielders supporting Van Persie. I don’t see any of this. “There’s plenty of games to play and change it around. But the pressure will be enormous now for Guus because there was criticism for his nomination beforehand. “[Ronald] Koeman was ready to take over, he was really outspoken, he really wanted to take the job. With all due respect for Hiddink, he’s 67 years old, I think he’s done, in my eyes. “Of course he has a great record. His ideas now are old-fashioned. With Koeman he showed with Feyenoord he can really shape [a team] and also he knows the mentality of those young boys, Guus is more of a people manager with an arm around them. But those guys need guidance.” As I thought Koeman did actually want the job but was passed over. Gus Hiddink was a good manager. Remember PSV nearly reached the 2005 CL final but were one goal short v Meelan, he did well with Aussies and Russia were very impressive in euro 2008. He's been in semi retirement since 2010 though so couldn't understand why the Dutch FA went back for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Yeah, I stand corrected. Mind boggling if they did pull out of hiring Koeman in favour of Hiddink. Must be more to it, possibly regarding Koeman's demands or something. Still inexcusable though on the face of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think it's also part of the KNVB's long term plan. Hiddink is still a highly respected manager globally, I still have faith in him. He's also there to pass on his knowledge to Danny Blind who will be taking over in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 they wanted Koeman to be Hiddink's assistant and then take over in 2016 but Koeman didnt want any of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Analyzing on Sky Sports after the game, de Boer didn’t hold back, calling Hiddink ‘old-fashioned’ and saying that the veteran coach was ‘done’: “I think Guus Hiddink doesn’t really have a game plan in my eyes. “He doesn’t show the guys ‘this is the way we want to go’. I want to see, for example, running midfielders supporting Van Persie. I don’t see any of this. “There’s plenty of games to play and change it around. But the pressure will be enormous now for Guus because there was criticism for his nomination beforehand. “[Ronald] Koeman was ready to take over, he was really outspoken, he really wanted to take the job. With all due respect for Hiddink, he’s 67 years old, I think he’s done, in my eyes. “Of course he has a great record. His ideas now are old-fashioned. With Koeman he showed with Feyenoord he can really shape [a team] and also he knows the mentality of those young boys, Guus is more of a people manager with an arm around them. But those guys need guidance.” As I thought Koeman did actually want the job but was passed over. Gus Hiddink was a good manager. Remember PSV nearly reached the 2005 CL final but were one goal short v Meelan, he did well with Aussies and Russia were very impressive in euro 2008. He's been in semi retirement since 2010 though so couldn't understand why the Dutch FA went back for him. Bouma played CB,He was an absolute tank. I couldn't believe when we got him for £3.5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishVillan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 UEFA ruling after the Serbia-Albania match: Serbia 3-0 winners. Serbia deducted 3 points and next 2 home games no spectators allowed. Suddenly the road opened up again.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Serbia won 3-0 and then got deducted 3 points. Might be my hangover but struggling get my head around logic of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishVillan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I agree, very strange. I´ve read that the Albanian players were refusing to restart the match and that could be the reason Serbia won but not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 the referee gave them option of emptying stadium and they still said no. I think from start Albania went to cause trouble and didnt want a game, can imagine the return game will be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 one of Albanian players labelled as "heroes" is being investigated for nazi salute in switzerland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Czech currently beating Iceland 2-1. Both nations have perfect records and winner takes the 1st place spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Holland playing a bit more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Holland playing a bit more like it. They played Latvia so it was expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Holland playing a bit more like it. They played Latvia so it was expected. We were expected to beat Czech Republic and Iceland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) no credit for San Marino. 61 defeats in a row ended Liechtenstein and Faroes won, Malta drew and Gibraltar only lost by 4. great week for the minnows Edited November 17, 2014 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 The non-England home nations are all well placed. Gonna be interesting to see how they cock it up from here on in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 They all stand a good chance of making it, I'd love to see all four UK countries qualify. I think Wales have the best chance after England do, their away game in the famous European state of Israel in March is absolutely huge. It's a must not lose game for them. Assuming Wales beat Andorra at home in the last game of the qualifiers then I think they need to just avoid any disastrous results. They want to be taking four points from Israel and not losing any of their remaining home games. If they can get to 16 or 17 points (they currently have 8) then that should be good enough for second place and an automatic spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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