villa89 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I always felt like one of the reasons some top teams would bomb out is because they would rest their starters week 17, have a bye, so the players would have a 3 week gap which surely isn't good? IIRC Teams with a bye tend not to rest their starters in week 17. Only teams in the same situation as the chiefs do that. Teams with a bye usually give the starters ~3 quarters in week 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I always felt like one of the reasons some top teams would bomb out is because they would rest their starters week 17, have a bye, so the players would have a 3 week gap which surely isn't good? IIRC Teams with a bye tend not to rest their starters in week 17. Only teams in the same situation as the chiefs do that. Teams with a bye usually give the starters ~3 quarters in week 17. Rodgers didn't play in week 17 when they were #1 seed. I know Peyton rarely played in week 17, most games he'd have a drive or 2 and then stop. I would search for the exact stats but a bit busy at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 2, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2014 Seemingly, since 1970 (so 44 years inclusive), only 10 wildcard teams have made it to the big one and only 6 have won it.Wildcard superbowl winners1980 - Oakland Raiders1998 - Denver Broncos2000 - Baltimore Ravens2005 - Pittsburgh Steelers2007 - New York Giants2010 - Green Bay PackersThe answer to how many teams have won the superbowl after a first round bye is 14. This doesn't clarify post-wildcard era although maybe that's implied with the 'bye'.So you've a 133% greater chance of winning the superbowl with a bye than with a wildcard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyscartwright_avfc Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 There was an article on NFL by Billick about momentum going into playoffs that I read last night. Only going back 5 years, but looking at the SB winners. Also mentioned the fact that Saints went 13-0, lost to Dallas so rested starters next 2 weeks, had a bye, everyone said they'd be out of sync with time off, ended up winning. Also to come out of that article all of last 5 winners lost at least 1 of last 3 games. 5 teams had cumulative record of 7-8 in last 3. And final conclusion of how momentum is just some bollocks myth the media like to use and say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 2, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2014 Yeah I think it very much depends on the health and fitness levels of the individual squads. In order to fully analyse the 'resting v momentum' stat you'd need to look at the age of the squads that went into post-season. It's entirely likely that aging squads like the Ravens of last year would like a break whereas younger squads wouldn't. It's up to the HC to make the judgement. But ostensibly and predictably, the stats seem to bear out over the 44 years that teams who do better in regular season tend to progress further in post-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Is NFL Gamepass not available for the playoffs? I'm sure I saw the option for the playoff games before. Edit: I mean just the playoff games, not a whole season. Edited January 2, 2014 by packoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted January 3, 2014 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2014 Is NFL Gamepass not available for the playoffs? I'm sure I saw the option for the playoff games before. Edit: I mean just the playoff games, not a whole season. https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/ I get a button to sign up for the playoffs here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I'm gonna predict this week! I never do that. Chiefs Saints Bengals 49'ers (sadly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Chiefs, Saints, Chargers, Packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Is NFL Gamepass not available for the playoffs? I'm sure I saw the option for the playoff games before. Edit: I mean just the playoff games, not a whole season. https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/ I get a button to sign up for the playoffs here Hmm, guess it's not available in Ireland then. The only option I have is for the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 3, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2014 Sky show every post-season game. You must have Sky of course ... but at least it's not like regular season where it's 1 game at a time or RedZone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Chiefs, Saints, Chargers, Packers. Complete opposites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted January 3, 2014 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2014 Is NFL Gamepass not available for the playoffs? I'm sure I saw the option for the playoff games before. Edit: I mean just the playoff games, not a whole season. https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/ I get a button to sign up for the playoffs here Hmm, guess it's not available in Ireland then. The only option I have is for the offseason. Bummer! UK/Republic of Ireland Blackout Rules Similar to last season, select Sunday games aired on Sky Sports in UK and Republic of Ireland are subject to a 24-hour blackout within NFL Game Pass. This includes Regular Season games for all package options as well as Playoffs and Super Bowl within the Season Plus subscription package. Visit our FAQ page for further blackout details: http://gamepassuk.support.nfl.com/Vi...CLID=205563706 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Seemingly, since 1970 (so 44 years inclusive), only 10 wildcard teams have made it to the big one and only 6 have won it. Wildcard superbowl winners 1980 - Oakland Raiders 1998 - Denver Broncos 2000 - Baltimore Ravens 2005 - Pittsburgh Steelers 2007 - New York Giants 2010 - Green Bay PackersThe answer to how many teams have won the superbowl after a first round bye is 14. This doesn't clarify post-wildcard era although maybe that's implied with the 'bye'. So you've a 133% greater chance of winning the superbowl with a bye than with a wildcard. This does not take into account division winners that played on Wildcard Weekend though. The last three Super Bowl Champions played on Wild Card Weekend, and six of the last ten played on Wild Card Weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 3, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2014 I know. Because the question was specifically wild card superbowl winners. Division winners are not wild cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted January 3, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2014 Of all the Super Bowl winners (since wildcard weekend was introduced) how many of those teams had to play in wildcard weekend and how many winners had 1st round byes? Would be interesting to see, historically, if a 1st round bye actually benefits. I always felt like one of the reasons some top teams would bomb out is because they would rest their starters week 17, have a bye, so the players would have a 3 week gap which surely isn't good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 3, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2014 Arse :-) OK then 44-14=30. Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 IIRC, Wild Card Weekend teams winning it all is really a new thing. Free agency, salary cap, ect. have made it so the difference between even the best and worst teams in the league is minimal, and that means the difference between playoff teams is tiny. With teams that close in talent momentum can mean a lot. I do not like it. I want the best teams to win. Unfortunately, this playoff system very rarely results in the best team winning it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted January 3, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2014 Prior to 1990, the playoffs were a 10-team (5 per conference) tournament: 3 division winners and two wildcards (so all division winners got byes).1990-91AFC byes: #1 Bills (lost Super Bowl), #2 Raiders (lost AFCCG)NFC byes: #1 49ers (lost NFCCG), #2 Giants (won Super Bowl)1991-92AFC byes: #1 Bills (lost Super Bowl), #2 Broncos (lost AFCCG)NFC byes: #1 Redskins (won Super Bowl), #2 Lions (lost NFCCG)1992-93AFC byes: #1 Steelers (lost divisional), #2 Dolphins (lost AFCCG)NFC byes: #1 49ers (lost NFCCG), #2 Cowboys (won Super Bowl)1993-94AFC byes: #1 Bills (lost Super Bowl), #2 Oilers (lost divisional)NFC byes: #1 Cowboys (won Super Bowl), #2 49ers (lost NFCCG)1994-95AFC byes: #1 Steelers (lost AFCCG), #2 Chargers (lost Super Bowl)NFC byes: #1 49ers (won Super Bowl), #2 Cowboys (lost NFCCG)1995-96AFC byes: #1 Chiefs (lost divisional), #2 Steelers (lost Super Bowl)NFC byes: #1 Cowboys (won Super Bowl), #2 49ers (lost divisional)1996-97AFC byes: #1 Broncos (lost divisional), #2 Patriots (lost Super Bowl)NFC byes: #1 Packers (won Super Bowl), #2 Panthers (lost NFCCG)1997-98AFC byes: #1 Chiefs (lost divisional), #2 Steelers (lost AFCCG) [#4 seed Broncos won Super Bowl]NFC byes: #1 49ers (lost NFCCG), #2 Packers (lost Super Bowl)1998-99AFC byes: #1 Broncos (won Super Bowl), #2 Jets (lost AFCCG)NFC byes: #1 Vikings (lost NFCCG), #2 Falcons (lost Super Bowl)1999-2000AFC byes: #1 Jaguars (lost AFCCG), #2 Colts (lost divisional) [#4 seed Titans lost Super Bowl]NFC byes: #1 Rams (won Super Bowl), #2 Bucs (lost NFCCG)2000-01AFC byes: #1 Titans (lost divisional), #2 Raiders (lost AFCCG) [#4 seed Ravens won Super Bowl]NFC byes: #1 Giants (lost Super Bowl), #2 Vikings (lost NFCCG)Note that up to this point, all but one NFC Championship Game was 2 @ 1...2001-02AFC: #1 Steelers (lost AFCCG), #2 Patriots (won Super Bowl)NFC: #1 Rams (lost Super Bowl), #2 Bears (lost divisional)After this, the 4 division + 2 wild-card format came in...2002-03AFC: #1 Raiders (lost Super Bowl), #2 Titans (lost AFCCG)NFC: #1 Eagles (lost NFCCG), #2 Bucs (won Super Bowl)2003-04AFC: #1 Patriots (won Super Bowl), #2 Chiefs (lost divisional)NFC: #1 Eagles (lost NFCCG), #2 Panthers (lost Super Bowl)2004-05AFC: #1 Steelers (lost AFCCG), #2 Patriots (won Super Bowl)NFC: #1 Eagles (lost Super Bowl), #2 Falcons (lost NFCCG)2005-06AFC: #1 Colts (lost divisional), #2 Broncos (lost AFCCG) [#6 seed Steelers won Super Bowl]NFC: #1 Seahawks (lost Super Bowl), #2 Bears (lost divisional)2006-07AFC: #1 Chargers (lost divisional), #2 Ravens (lost divisional) [#3 seed Colts won Super Bowl]NFC: #1 Bears (lost Super Bowl), #2 Saints (lost NFCCG)2007-08AFC: #1 Patriots (lost Super Bowl), #2 Colts (lost divisional)NFC: #1 Cowboys (lost divisional), #2 Packers (lost NFCCG) [#5 seed Giants won Super Bowl]2008-09AFC: #1 Titans (lost divisional), #2 Steelers (won Super Bowl)NFC: #1 Giants (lost divisional), #2 Panthers (lost divisional) [#4 seed Cardinals won Super Bowl]2009-10AFC: #1 Colts (lost Super Bowl), #2 Chargers (lost divisional)NFC: #1 Saints (won Super Bowl), #2 Vikings (lost NFCCG)2010-11AFC: #1 Patriots (lost divisional), #2 Steelers (lost Super Bowl)NFC: #1 Falcons (lost divisional), #2 Bears (lost NFCCG) [#6 seed Packers won Super Bowl]2011-12AFC: #1 Patriots (lost Super Bowl), #2 Ravens (lost AFCCG)NFC: #1 Packers (lost divisional), #2 49ers (lost NFCCG) [#4 seed Giants won Super Bowl]2012-13AFC: #1 Broncos (lost divisional), #2 Patriots (lost NFCCG) [#4 seed Ravens won Super Bowl]NFC: #1 Falcons (lost NFCCG), #2 49ers (lost Super Bowl) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) II I do not like it. I want the best teams to win. Unfortunately, this playoff system very rarely results in the best team winning it all. I can't stress just how much I disagree with this. The current setup of the NFL is what makes it the best sport in the world. Every game matters, Every team has a chance, It's a level playing field, poorer teams are actively aided to get better better via the draft, the playoff system rewards the best teams with a bye but allows "midtable" sides to still have a chance of getting to a superbowl via a wildcard. The one thing that does bother me about the game now is that the passing game is too prominant. A 4,000 yard season is now a non-event for a QB. One solution IMO would be to increase the allowed contact zone for CB's from 5 yards to 10. Edited January 4, 2014 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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