darrenm Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Got the Audi that I'm not keeping. (see various other threads) Its a **** monster. Absolutely love it. Fingers crossed it keeps going. Surprised me to see that only Rover have a worse engine failure rate than Audi. Sounds at best misleading. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 20, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2013 Think it was a survey early this year. A load of German brands were in the bottom 10. Dunno about the reliability of the survey. But Jaguar and land Rover were both in the top 10, so I can only assume it was definitely 100% accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Google it, it's on plenty of sites and news sources Engine reliability - top 10 brands according to Warranty Direct 1. Honda (failure rate: 1 in 344) 2. Toyota (failure rate: 1 in 171) 3. Mercedes-Benz (failure rate: 1 in 119) 4. Volvo (failure rate: 1 in 111) 5. Jaguar (failure rate: 1 in 103) 6. Lexus (failure rate: 1 in 101) 7. Fiat (failure rate: 1 in 85) 8. Ford (failure rate: 1 in 80) 9. Nissan (failure rate: 1 in 76) 10. Land Rover (failure rate: 1 in 72) Engine reliability - bottom 10 brands according to Warranty Direct 1. MG Rover (failure rate: 1 in 13) 2. Audi (failure rate: 1 in 27) 3. Mini (failure rate: 1 in 40) 4. Saab (failure rate: 1 in 40) 5. Vauxhall (failure rate: 1 in 41) 6. Peugeot (failure rate: 1 in 44) 7. BMW (failure rate: 1 in 45) 8. Renault (failure rate: 1 in 46) 9. Volkswagen (failure rate: 1 in 52) 10. Mitsubishi (failure rate: 1 in 59) Surprised about Rover... I thought their failure rate would be a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I've never heard of that model. Adam is a terrible name for a person let alone a car. That's a bit like comparing a mustang to a cortina. But I suppose if you were blind drunk, partially sighted and squinting then yes...there is a tiny similarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I've never heard of that model. Adam is a terrible name for a person let alone a car. That's a bit like comparing a mustang to a cortina. But I suppose if you were blind drunk, partially sighted and squinting then yes...there is a tiny similarity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM I've owned two fords....and will happily dismiss them. They're shit. Boring to drive...boring to look at. The automotive equivilent of beige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM I've owned two fords....and will happily dismiss them. They're shit. Boring to drive...boring to look at. The automotive equivilent of beige. 'Boring'... yet you buy German? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM I've just done a quick calc and I reckon over the last 10 years I've done about 350,000 miles in 3 Mercs and they've never missed a beat, but equally I think all cars are far better than they once were and any brand can build a duffer. Personally I think that many miles without so much as a cough or splutter is pretty impressive and will influence what my next car might be. there, days before Christmas I've just praised the reliability of my car, what could possibly go wrong..... Edited December 20, 2013 by chrisp65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM I've owned two fords....and will happily dismiss them. They're shit. Boring to drive...boring to look at. The automotive equivilent of beige. 'Boring'... yet you buy German? Have you driven both two compare? I have. Fords are shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM I've owned two fords....and will happily dismiss them. They're shit. Boring to drive...boring to look at. The automotive equivilent of beige. 'Boring'... yet you buy German? Have you driven both two compare? I have. Fords are shit. I've driven a Mercedes, nothing special. German cars are just so plain and boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I suppose VA is in good company - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Thank you 8cylinders. Mustangs aren't even the best model Ford have ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Its all subjective anyway...but for me my cars what I've owned in order of preference is Mini Cooper S JCW Audi A1 LR Freelander VW Golf Mini Cooper Pug 206 2x Ford Fiestas Renault Clio. (**** horrible car) I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM I've owned two fords....and will happily dismiss them. They're shit. Boring to drive...boring to look at. The automotive equivilent of beige. 'Boring'... yet you buy German? Have you driven both two compare? I have. Fords are shit. I've driven a Mercedes, nothing special. German cars are just so plain and boring. And Fords are super exciting? I'm not having that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Fiestas are for kids, try a man's Ford. Agree about the Renault Clio though, my driving instructor had one of those and one night while driving down a poorly lit dual carriageway, the lights just would not go on to mainbeam, instead they completely switched off. Also during my first test the handbrake light and alarm came on even though it was off and I was driving along, which failed me. My dad has always said "never buy a Renault" as well, it's one of his rules of cars. Edited December 20, 2013 by villaajax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Google it, it's on plenty of sites and news sources Engine reliability - top 10 brands according to Warranty Direct 1. Honda (failure rate: 1 in 344) 2. Toyota (failure rate: 1 in 171) 3. Mercedes-Benz (failure rate: 1 in 119) 4. Volvo (failure rate: 1 in 111) 5. Jaguar (failure rate: 1 in 103) 6. Lexus (failure rate: 1 in 101) 7. Fiat (failure rate: 1 in 85) 8. Ford (failure rate: 1 in 80) 9. Nissan (failure rate: 1 in 76) 10. Land Rover (failure rate: 1 in 72) Engine reliability - bottom 10 brands according to Warranty Direct 1. MG Rover (failure rate: 1 in 13) 2. Audi (failure rate: 1 in 27) 3. Mini (failure rate: 1 in 40) 4. Saab (failure rate: 1 in 40) 5. Vauxhall (failure rate: 1 in 41) 6. Peugeot (failure rate: 1 in 44) 7. BMW (failure rate: 1 in 45) 8. Renault (failure rate: 1 in 46) 9. Volkswagen (failure rate: 1 in 52) 10. Mitsubishi (failure rate: 1 in 59) Surprised about Rover... I thought their failure rate would be a lot worse. So a warranty company, who are the lowest scumbags ever to have graced the motor trader, have produced a reliability 'survey'. I've dealt with warranty direct before, they will blame your fault on anything other than a covered item. Now I'm not suggesting this report is a total fabrication, but WD have a vested interest in making some of the biggest brands look bad because then the people who would normally feel safe buying these brands without protection will buy a warranty. The more reliable the brand actually is, the less WD have to pay out. So really, it's in warranty direct's best interests to completely skew the results. However, assuming for a moment that it is all straight up... What's an engine failure? In the common sense it's a catastrophic failure of the engine requiring a short rebuild, something like bottom end oil starvation, valve interference etc. You said "engine failure rate". The survey says "reliability". The 2 are completely different. To push a manufacturer lower down in the list, it takes something like a common fault on a particular line of sensors before a recall to change the results. I'm not defending Audi because I don't even like them as a company. I love the heritage and prestige of Volkswagen though. And as everything Audi, Seat, Skoda, VW, they're all essentially the same. Class leading chassis and ground-breaking engines. Reliability isn't in the same league as the Japanese stuff though. As a comparison with Ford, VAG push the envelope a lot more. Every time they bring out a new engine it's revolutionary. The 1.4 twincharge, the 20v 1.8T, the TFSI, all at the pinnacle of current technology when brought out. Ford tend to stick with older engine designs for a lot longer. I couldn't believe I found the exact same diesel engine in my friend's 2006 Mondeo as was in my mother-in-law's 1995 Escort. I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM I never bought into it. I've always been interested in cars and I know first hand the differences in engineering. Ford are at GM's level for engineering, which is a step above most things French, but below almost everything else. VAG stuff is revolutionary and at the forefront of technology and because of that they're sometimes caught on the hop because no-one else has done what they're attempting before. Big props to the Japanese though. Americans can do blocks but have no idea how to make heads. Europeans can make highly efficient heads but won't risk overcomplicating them. The Japanese make incredibly complicated heads with variable valve timing and variable induction systems and still make them reliable. Unfortunately they decided to stop making exciting cars at the end of the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Its all subjective anyway...but for me my cars what I've owned in order of preference is Mini Cooper S JCW Audi A1 LR Freelander VW Golf Mini Cooper Pug 206 2x Ford Fiestas Renault Clio. (**** horrible car) I hope all of you who bought into that 'German reliability' marketing angle while dismissing Ford feel rather foolish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM I've owned two fords....and will happily dismiss them. They're shit. Boring to drive...boring to look at. The automotive equivilent of beige. 'Boring'... yet you buy German? Have you driven both two compare? I have. Fords are shit. I've driven a Mercedes, nothing special. German cars are just so plain and boring. And Fords are super exciting? I'm not having that. Just a few... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Aren't they 3 Mustangs and a car you couldn't buy? Anyway, to demonstrate my point about VAG engineering, my first foray into fiddling with VWs was changing the timing belt on my Passat 1.8T. They went completely against the grain for a FWD car and put the engine in longitudinally. Apparently it cuts transmission losses down from about 15% to about 10% so the WHP is closer to the FHP. Normally on FWD cars, getting to the side of the engine to get the belt on and off is a massive pain due to the space restrictions. VW designed the car so 4 bolts off the bumper and the whole front can be removed: Allowing full frontal access to the business side of the engine. Took about half an hour to change the timing belt because of this: Everything had been thought about, made more efficient, modernised. It was like a breath of fresh air for the mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Aren't they 3 Mustangs and a car you couldn't buy? Only 1 Mustang there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Aren't they 3 Mustangs and a car you couldn't buy? Anyway, to demonstrate my point about VAG engineering, my first foray into fiddling with VWs was changing the timing belt on my Passat 1.8T. They went completely against the grain for a FWD car and put the engine in longitudinally. Apparently it cuts transmission losses down from about 15% to about 10% so the WHP is closer to the FHP. Normally on FWD cars, getting to the side of the engine to get the belt on and off is a massive pain due to the space restrictions. VW designed the car so 4 bolts off the bumper and the whole front can be removed: Allowing full frontal access to the business side of the engine. Took about half an hour to change the timing belt because of this: Everything had been thought about, made more efficient, modernised. It was like a breath of fresh air for the mechanic. Just as well Volkwagen engines are easy to get to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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