blandy

Exactly. And not "I don't know, but I believe the tories are all nasty", but "I'd like to see a referendum that has options on the following lines..." Essentially the non-political reality is that what was promised to voters as being what would happen if we Brexit, and what is actually going to happen are just miles and miles apart. None of the benefits and many of the drawbacks. There's also been the corruption, interference and crime. People generally are beginning to understand the mess, now. Many desperate for someone to propose something positive, for it to be Labour to do that. But they're not. They're saying the tories are rubbish (true) and then offering / claiming to somehow get something better in the remaining 4 months, via a general election, getting in and then trying to overcome the exact same contradictions as the tories faced regarding the single market and customs Union and free movement etc. Not credible at all. Just more empty slogans.

The problem with your argument is that he was specifically asked "What do you think the question should be?" as a follow up to his "dunno" and didn't answer that either. He dodged the point and opportunity to lay out what Labour's alternative credible proposals are (because Labour hasn't got any, either). Politicians have a duty to be more honest. The devious positioning and such like does no one any favours. Standing on the sidelines metaphorically sniggering, occasionally poking a stick in and waiting for it to all fall into a heap so I can be PM - that applies to Corbyn and it also applies to Boris Johnson and a few others. These twunts are all to blame. None of them are doing anything constructive or effective for the betterment of the Country.

Ah, yes. Blue Hawaii. A classic of the genre* *not an actual classic

Stormzy 's had a huge increase in profile ever since the revelations about Trump n'that.

He was egged on.

That comment was specific for the UK. I'm aware of the different situation in France. Anyway, 'nuff talk about work.

It's miles away, still (other than for development testing, at the moment). See this etc. from nearly 4 years ago. It still applies.

please stay on topic and please avoid personal comments about each other, VTers. Thanks.

I feel the answer to that is “No, No, No” [/paisley]

None of them have the bottle for being leader of a clusterpork, apart from May.

They're more like a political party or lobbying group than a "think tank", in reality, as well.

Pretty sure I read somewhere that there is some dodginess going on with charity funding here. TPA isn't a charity, but a charity was set up that then gives money to TPA, so TPA is getting funds from the taxpayer. And this also helps hide the original source of (some) money.

Made me fish out this. 6 and a bit minutes in, Some lovely shredding, like Television.

Mile Jedinak : John McGinn ?

Your amp goes up to 11! - that's one louder, isn't it? I've got Lucy Dacus, Historian on (at 3 short of "wake the dead" on the amp)

They might listen to Catweazle, though they'd be better off not doing so. His latest is "we can't stop it" (i.e. "I don't want to stop it, and will help make it happen, then when it's a clusterpork, I can be elected PM on the back of it"). But anyway, When everyone from Aaron Banks to Boris Johnson is saying where we've got to, we'd have been better off remaining, it just needs May hoofed, Labour to grow a pair and then the realignment can start.

Well, that’s my theory comprehensively debunked ? . Luckily the Villa won, so happiness is unbounded.

Alternatively, he’s known and said consistently that it isn’t a good idea and he’s waited until now to resign to create the most opportunity to stop it happening. To create a, er, momentum against May’s imminent deal and bring about a vote on staying in.

There's nothing in the EU laws to prevent that.

Actually that may be the wrong one. Given it's grayling, perhaps "not letting a crew-member aboard if he may, in fact, be a brain-sucking psychotic temporal lobe slurper"

No officer with false teeth should attempt oral sex in zero gravity?

I'm pretty sure choosing "number two" is what he'd do.

Says some random bloke on the internet ?

Thanks Peter. One person getting it is enough.