blunther

We mostly fixed it before with lads with big backpacks of beer dotted about serving people all over the place. Then they disappeared.

I'm a bit out of the loop with 'membership' and the like but just looked it up - so I need to pay £40 a year for the chance of paying £40-50 for a match ticket if I don't renew?? WTF, we really are just gouging people aren't we.

Yeah with a 12 month then it just becomes a 'permanent' cost, you kind of stop noticing the money is gone in the end if it's every month. Over 8 months there's a big chunk of change missing that you had in your bank the month before. A 12 month recurring ST basically becomes a subscription service. No idea why they haven't done that, saw on the Twitter Q&A that they have no interest in even looking at it.

Just Because others are doing it doesn't mean we have to though. The vast vast majority of our income is through TV money. These changes will raise a couple of million a year, we could probably make more than that by getting a sponsor for the Doug Ellis and leaving ticket prices as they are, or having one less player on the books that never actually plays. Lower Holte facilities are absolutely awful. The Holte Suite cuts into it so most of the width is a narrow corridor. It's impossible to get food/drink at half time without missing part of the match. Going for a piss takes ages. What's more, there has been absolutely no improvement in the facilities. We keep being promised it, but the prices goes up and up and guess what, the facilities are the same now as when it was built on the cheap in the early 90s. Again, just because they do it doesn't mean we have to, but even so, London is much wealthier than Brum, their wages are higher and they have the population to sustain it. Also the very expensive clubs like Spurs and Arsenal at least have the facilities to 'justify' such costs - our ground offers no more than a non-league ground in terms of facilities. A couple of bars, some undercooked overpriced food and far too few toilets, and that's it. I don't agree that they did have to shift the pricing eventually. We're all so conditioned to the idea of £50 being a fair price to watch a game of football, but it doesn't need to be that way. Instead of comparing us to clubs like Spurs and Arsenal, let's compare ourselves to clubs in Germany or Spain. They have competitive football, offer a better experience in terms of facilities and still manage to charge less. Despite having less TV money. Pricing out kids is so short-sighted it hurts. I genuinely hope we don't expand to 50k+ because it's going to be embarrassing down the line when most folk are priced out and the kids all support TV teams due to never having gone to a match. I know I keep banging on about this but I'm really hurting, if I don't renew it's the end of an era, it's part of my identity, who I am and what I do but this game just isn't right anymore and eventually I've gotta draw a line.

All I can think is they've realised that with 24,000 on the waiting list they're looking to get more full-priced adults in instead of concessions taking up seats and paying the cheap prices. Very short-term thinking as if the kids don't get down the match and fall in love with in-person football, they'll all just watch the 'big' teams on telly, and there'll be no one left to go down VP in 20-30 years.

Chatting with the fam and it looks like the three of us with about 100 years of unbroken season ticket between us are out. A bridge too far along with VAR, crap "matchday experience" (I don't care when it was all spit and sawdust but for the Megabucks I expect more) and general 'the game's gone' stuff. Old man's ticket went up 63% (concession in L5). Capped to 50% this year but that's still outrageous. I'm sure someone else will have the ticket, but unless we get some quick success they may well get bored before reaching the sort of history we've got. Still time to change our mind but seems there's a bit of consensus among fans I've spoken to of this being the straw that broke the camel's back.

Crazy. TV money should make tickets cheaper, not the opposite. Genuinely don't know how we have so many people who can still afford it these days.

Gonna be a lot more vocal disappointment when we pay for European football and finish 13th next season then.

£270 to £440 in L5...

I'd pay an increased price if they increased what they offered. I'm not talking about football, that's the nature of the game. But give me somewhere to watch the early/late kick off, that serves decent beer and food for a decent price. Reconfigure the ground so I can go for a piss at half time without scrumming for ten minutes in a cloud of pissy air. Charge premium prices then I want a product that's better than the one that used to cost far less for exactly the same offering.

Family ticket going from about £700 to £1200... how many future long term fans do we lose to watching Liverpool on the TV for the sake of £500 a year? What's our turnover, about £200m? Seems such a trivial sum we'd get from these increases. I'm at about 25 season tickets so far, same seat for the last 15 or so. Gonna have to sleep on this a bit. Wouldn't mind if the matchday offering was better, but it's just traffic or queues to get in or out, **** all to do in the stadium (not even space to comfortably stand and have a pint and a chat in the lower holte), crap facilities, overpriced crap food/drink. Where's the draw? Just habit?

Dunno, I imagine plenty of that 24,000 will baulk if/when they finally get the chance, especially since the economy has gone so wrong since that waiting list formed. It's a big chunk of money anytime, but espeically in current circumstances. Everyone seems to have forgotten the crowds of 27-30k we got fairly regularly under Lambert - we could easily return to that after another season or two of finishing bottom half and not winning anything.

Yep... And what will that £204 pay for? About 21 seconds playing time for a second string player on 50k a week. There's too much money involved for these sums to make a difference and it's leaving a nasty taste in my mouth. Gonna have to really think about it this year.

Yeah Bradford was a complete **** up. Would have been the only time we'd have played a side you'd fancy beating in the final too. I seem to remember about 25k turning up a couple of times. Also remember losing to I think QPR with about ten minutes to go and the ground was just empty. Must have been a few thousand left at the end. Lichaj, Herd, Kevin Toner.... I don't know how we expected to defend playing players of that quality though. Lambert was hamstrung, and somehow managed to keep us up for a couple of seasons when we were utterly dire. It's more than some managers could have done is all I'm saying.

That doesn't make any sense though, you can't just say 'if we didn't get those points we'd have had fewer points', the same goes for any team in any season. If we'd lost our last three we'd be level with Brentford. But we didn't so we're not. FWIW looking at some of the teams Lambert had to put out, we had no right to be in the Premier League. I think some of those lineups would be struggling in the championship. The football was dire, it was a miserable time, but I don't blame Lambert for it. I think he could have been a decent manager in the right circumstance but like so many before, a spell at the Villa broke the poor bugger.

Sanson not starting today means he's not gonna get a look in here. Which is a shame as I like what I've seen from him. Think we'll regret letting him go in a couple of years but if he isn't going to get a chance after that last performance it's just not gonna happen.

Perspective ennit. For instance, looks at the six yard line which also runs parallel to the edge of the area. Edit, sorry, been answered a few times already!

Ball hasn't left his foot yet. If it was Man United concdeing the goal, they'd be doing the VAR check one frame further forward, which is 1/60th of a second (I believe 60FPS cameras are used). Doesn't sound a lot but if the defender is static and Cavani is running at 10M/s, then he'd be 17cm further on in the next frame and therefore offside. That's the thing with VAR. They make out like offside is cut and dry. It isn't. The cameras aren't fast enough to make accurate decisions. The choice of the frame is subjective, and is never discussed.

I thought that was what won us the match. Everton were clearly going to play 'physcially', and those two early crunching tackles from McGinn set the tone for us, that we weren't going to get intimidated by Everton's tactics. We needed that.

My favourite player for years. Even when he was losing the ball more early on, it's because he tries things that other players won't. If you want an amazing little flair demon then he's not gonna get it right all the time. He's brilliant, I love him.

Seen this picture a lot - has it been verified as real? I'm assuming someone's made it and it's taken on a life of its own. It can't be genuine.

Absolutely, if it was the case that he really doesn't want to be here and we can't get damn good money for him then he doesn't play for the next 18 months. I'd make him train on his own personally too so he doesn't bring the mood down. See how many offers he gets when he hasn't kicked a ball for a year. Show the club can't be bullied by kids who have achieved **** all.

Horrible isn't it. I should be baying for blood in revenge, but what's the point? Can't celebrate a goal these days as you now there's always something they can find if they want to. And without the moments of sheer unbridled joy, all the crap that comes along with football has no balance. I've been to two games this season and I have a ST. Not even gonna watch this one on the telly. Hope I live to regret it.

I've missed a few matches recently. Was looking forward to this one but given my ticket away after that VAR farce. You WILL be cheated playing these words removed. Either VAR or a dodgy pen or something else. It ain't worth the travel and expense just to get pissed off by blatant cheating.

Has this been confirmed somewhere then? Have to say I'm glad there's football on on the 28th if that's the case, just for something to do.