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yeah, **** all to do with the fact that we're playing one of the best teams in the world like You honestly believe this is the absolute best we can manage against this invincible Man City side that drew at West Brom, scraped past Wigan and got beat by Sunderland and Everton in their last 4 away games in the Prem. I'm not expecting us to outclass them but just take the game to them on some level at least. But hey if you're happy sitting through 90minutes of injury time more power to ya. i honestly believe that our players arent good enough to take man city on at their own game, especially when we're playing at home. doing so would see us murdered 5 or 6 nothing, further destroying player confidence. there's 3 or 4 games a season where i have no problem at all playing for a draw, and this happens to be one of them. the odds of us winning are slim to none, but a point is doable and i think everyone would be more than happy with that we've been looking more attacking and more confident on the ball in recent weeks, so i genuinely think a different approach for a game like this is necessary - if we get stuffed playing the kind of football we've been working towards it'll do nobody any good

yeah, **** all to do with the fact that we're playing one of the best teams in the world like

He's only a point behind where MON was after 24 PL games with us MON inherited a team that was relegation bound. AMC inherited almost the same team that finished sixth and got to the Carling Cup Final and FA Cup semi. Not a fair comparison. almost the same team apart from milner, young and downing? oh, and add to that the fact that the defence forgot how to play football around the march of the season you mention, and haven't been the same since?

not in his first season we didnt

its really not though. it's not anything close to unwatchable at all a lot of the time. we fall apart due to individual errors time after time, and still panic and hoof the ball, just like we did under houllier and mcleish, but we're starting to have more and more spells where we have the ball down and are playing decent football

macron stuff is shiny though

plenty of plusses to take from the game today and pretty much most games since the spurs debacle the people rolling out the 6 wins in 24 stat do have a point, but the fact is that if we want any real changes at villa in terms of how we play the game, they will be long term and you'll have a season like this involved in getting things started. we won't be relegated, and we're actually starting to look like we're capable of playing decent football again. we were outdone by a fantastic strike and some more nightmare defending. aside from that we looked decent for most of the game. we dont have the ability to unlock teams right now, because our movement still needs huge amounts of work. that's been the case for ecks reign, as well as houlliers, and o'neills, and o'leary's and taylor mk2's, and the arse end of gregory's. it's a villa problem, it's not an alex mcleish problem. we can work on that. right now we are definitely getting the passing stuff improving an awful lot, and that's going to be key for next season. the defence needs major surgery, we all know that, but the lads in front of them will play a part too. if we keep the ball confidently, we'll come under less pressure at the back. that's already something that we can see happening, but we're quite a way off getting rid of the manager will do us no favours in that respect people talk about rogers at swansea - do you know how long it took for swansea to build that kind of game? it started with martinez, and it took years. if we sacked mcleish and brought in martinez or rogers, we'd still be looking at the exact same kind of season, whether you want to admit it or not

the improvement in terms of footballing is certainly continuing, if only we could match it with cutting down on individual errors still though, im actually starting to get quite optimistic about things under eck. need to spend in summer, and it all needs to be on the defence

blessed that newcastle scored there, because that was a red card and a penalty from warnock's lunge on taylor

yeah but stephen ireland is a bit mental to be fair

i think its gone beyond that. he needs out of the firing line

He wasn't, some people on here have an agenda against Dunne Just like you have an agenda against Warnock. its more like warnock has an agenda against warnock tbf You've lost me Pete? im saying that the one who's doing the most damage to him and his reputation is the guy himself, he doesnt need help from anyone on here in that respect

I think it'd help the likes of Given and Dunne a great deal. apart from the fact that our entire left side would be defensively non existent and a blatant target for opposition you mean?

He wasn't, some people on here have an agenda against Dunne Just like you have an agenda against Warnock. its more like warnock has an agenda against warnock tbf

yeah, coz it worked so well when mon was allowed to spend big

nzogbia is only just finding his feet out on the wing, i dont think moving him to full back would help anyone

all great great players every one of whom would feature in our match day squad

looked to me like dunne got a call from warnock

how exactly was dunne at fault for warnock's og???

kevin doyle played for cork and pats stephen ward played for bohs seamus coleman played for sligo keith fahey played for drogheda and pats wes hoolahan played for shels off the top of my head

Not saying it is, just saying it's a cruel and publicly humiliating reaction to someone making a mistake. Anger at the moment it happens is a perfectly normal human reaction. I've regularly lost my rag at games and despaired at what I've seen before me but once it's done it's done. Booing his every touch is vindictive and counter-productive. making A mistake, grand, ill agree making mistake after mistake after mistake in almost every single game, some costing goals, some not, is hardly the same thing the main culprit in ruining stephen warnock's confidence is stephen **** warnock

he played for shamrock who are probably about as good as a league 2 team. theres a very good chance that he will not be the next ashley cole and roy keane played for cobh, and paul mcgrath played for st. pats what's your point?

Weird, for roughly 10-12 games of this season I remember the VT consensus being that Warnock was playing well and what a relief it was to have a natural LB again. i certainly havent seen warnock put in a 10-12 game stretch for us at any stage this season. his game all year has been riddled with schoolboy errors. he might get away with it from most people if they dont cost a goal, but hes still making them time and time again

ill wager youve never even see the guy play ffs

its continual individual errors. there's not much you can do about that. it's a sign that the players just arent up to it