chrisp65

One of my current Clients is called Jesus. I'm spending most of my time looking for an opportunity in a meeting to say 'what would Jesus do?'

So some terrorists are different to other terrorists, depending on whether some politicians but not other politicians are prepared to deal with them as and when it suits them. That's cleared that up then. It's a bit like I suggested, not simple. Incidentally, I did separate the PKK and Peshmerga. It's the Pesh that have attacked British troops back in their history.

Blandy has already given you the link for FSA. You could also look up stuff on the Kurdish groups, the PKK, the Peshmerga and their history of fighting all occupying forces, including the British. If you could just tell me at what point in time the Pesh stopped being terrorists attacking a NATO country and turned into NOT terrorists I'd be grateful. If the PKK are not terrorists, why aren't we stopping our NATO allies Turkey from bombing them, whilst the PKK are trying to fight ISL? Perhaps, just perhaps. it's all a bit more complex than goodies forever and baddies forever. I'm not saying these groups are in the wrong or the worst or a threat to me and my family. I'm just trying to point out it's a bit silly to try and slur people as terrorist sympathisers at exactly the same time you claim to want national unity.

Right you are then Mantis. What about people that support the Free Syrian Army? In exactly what way are they different? It's just that my understanding, is that Cameron wants to run bombing raids to help them rise up and take Raqqa. Is Cameron one of these terrorist sympathisers? Or are they, erm, freedom fighters?

I think sometimes people on both sides of the divide in real life, in parliament and even on VT can be deliberately thick. I'm not convinced that Corbyn automatically secretly sides and sympathises with all terrorists. I do think that sometimes we need to probe exactly what a 'terrorist' is. There's the whole Palestinian terrorist thing, that's one for a thread all it's own. There's the Irish terrorism thing, ditto. I'll happily debate that one with you if you like. But you have to remember that even the very worst terrorist organisations sometimes somehow become magically sanitised and can eventually be talked to, engaged in communication. Most people would now recognise the ANC were probably right overall. But we all had them down as ignorant brutes and murderers previously. There are some even on VT that would still describe Nelson M as a terrorist. Now, I know we are to see ISIS as a whole different thing, literally a different animal. Right now, they are. There is no space right now for negotiation of anything with them. I get that. But that's where we were with the Taliban (at that point in between them being freedom fighters against Russian occupation and terrorists against the coalition). They aren't really animal / walking dead different though. Plenty of expanding empires have beheaded people, burnt them at the stake, pulled them apart with horses or stuck body parts on spikes on bridges. A fairly recent example would be the Khmer Rouge. A more distant example would be, well, us. The only real difference, time and technology. So to simply label people wholesale as 'terrorist sympathisers' is a pretty piss poor attempt to dumb down what is literally a life and death debate. If Cameron is willing to re arrest Gerry Adams and break off links with South Africa and Thailand and The Gambia etc., then he can be bullish about people that talk to terrorists. otherwise, he needs to grow up and debate with his opponents, not look for easy cheers from his chums.

we don't need troops though Once the extra 16 planes are added into the mix on top of the 5,600 sorties already undertaken this will tip the balance and persuade an army of 70,000 liberal and democratic freedom fighters to rise up and take over areas formally occupied by the now totally vanquished ISL. These newly free and democratic areas will set up police and army units to self govern in a civilised non sectarian manner and will be left to their own business by Russia and the Assad regime. By many projections, they will probably have an american themed fast food franchise in Raqqa just before Christmas.

I would humbly suggest that as soon as there is a fresh new kid showing promise or even a released kid that has improved or an early 20's bloke that previously dropped out of the pyramid but has now seemingly got his mojo back, the scouts are all over it. You can take that from someone that occasionally has to explain to people that they might be the Pope, a scout or the press reporter for the PontPandy Gazette, it's still £5 to get in. If you are good enough for a step up from any level to the next level, they will find you.

I don't believe there is that direct link. I think we are just as threatened with or without extending from Iraq into Syria. Whilst I'm not convinced extending bombing does much for us, I'm also not concerned it will trigger revenge. We are not free from threat today, we will not be free from threat tomorrow, regardless of how the vote goes. What we might get, is an attack with a different strap line. Some bunch of scrotes might be already planning an attack on Barnstaple Winter Wonderland. If we vote to bomb Syria, they'll simply tag it as 'revenge' for that. If we don't, it'll be in response to something else. The media however, are setting themselves up (and therefore a good proportion of us also) for a meltdown.

you don't become a fixture on the million dollar 'vip speaker' circuit by tweeking the changes to family tax credits you don't get to be a peace envoy by suggesting caution and long games he's on a count down to retirement, he needs to get in and start bombing, then get out before it turns, inevitably, to unforseen shit which he can't be responsible for as he's now moved on to million dollar talks about how to achieve peace and would obviously have done things differently

Excellent. Nowhere near in the same league, and I must have mentioned this a few times before - but here's an opportunity for me to repeat myself. A group of us were going to that London to see Super Furries at the Royal Festival Hall. We cocked up on the timing and were getting later and later. I was driving and we decided the honourable thing to do was to drop everyone at the door and then I go off and look for somewhere to abandon the car. We got there, there was a car park with a sign across the entrance saying full, so we drove around it and in to the car park. Directly in front of us was a security hut and a single empty parking space with stripey tape across it and a sign saying 'reserved for band'. I drove in, drove through the tape and over the reserved sign. We piled out of the car, security lady came out of her hut. I said 'we're late!' and she said.....'go! go! go!'. She may have thought we were the Super Furry Animals.

today was a work from home - you'd be amazed what I got done

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The conservative party do have a majority don't they? I have understood the outcome of the last election correctly? The conservatives aren't having a free vote are they? Why the interest in Labour? Or are there a significant number of terrorist sympathisers currently sitting on the government benches? What silly language to try and 'debate' with. As for putting pressure on Labour MP's, perhaps they need to be told that the only poll on public opinion generally, shows a pretty much 50/50 split within acceptable tolerances (a new untested polling company the only one that has taken place recently). Also, that 75% of Labour party members don't want an escalation of UK involvement in Syria. Given that the public are undecided, Labour members are against it, the leader of the party is against it and some tory MP's are against it, I'd be quite keen to hear the reason why some Labour MP's are quite so keen to bomb.

Conservative MP John Baron, ex Captain in the Fusiliers, served in Northern Ireland. David Cameron needs to have a word with this guy, he's one of the terrorist sympathisers.

booze yeah? I do drink, but it's a bit sporadic. During November, my drinking would have been something very close to this (though I didn't keep records) Week 1 - 0 units - nothing at all. Week 2 - 4 units - maybe a single glass of wine Saturday, another Sunday, home, remainder poured away down sink mid week. Week 3 - 25 / 30 units - one midweek bottle of cider, Saturday a couple of decent sized whiskies at home, 4 pints of lager in an hour, large brandy, large whiskey at a gig venue. Week 4 - 4 units - one glass of wine, one bottle of poncey designer lager beer, home. ------ Nothing so far this Monday & Tuesday, probably nothing through until Friday. Welsh Cup home game Saturday, clubhouse open, I'll be drinking.

Who is it in this thread that has said military action isn't part of the solution? Who is it that's offering appeasement? I've missed these posts.

I suggest we push them off their land and build a big **** off wall around the bits we want.

I'd vote 'no' at the moment. My not having a detailed and fool proof plan, doesn't stop me knowing that the current plan is a bit shit. I'm happy to leave complicated stuff to experts. By experts, I don't mean military people needing something to do to protect a budget.

with headphones, if they aren't the new sennheiser orpheus I ain't interested I keep a set in the house and a set in the office and a set in my bag.

since listening to that album I've always wanted to be a kick ass duke

Unlucky Randy, I bet we were next in line for their £265 Million. Fascinating that there is money out there, double what we are asking and for just a 13% share of Man City. Guess we must be doing something wrong. Chinese Investment

I think 'accept' is the wrong term. I have a friend that works at the tax, I have a friend that is a dry liner. DL guy is clearly taking the system for a ride. Tax friend is too. They have too much work to get through at the tax office, so they are offered weekend over time. But they can't be paid over time. So they are given time and a half off in lieu. So my mate works a Saturday, which means that month there is a week where he doesn't have to turn up until Tuesday afternoon. So guess what, they ask him to work over time. It's like a strange mix of the films Ground Hog Day and Brazil. Dry Liner mate has tried to get work via me, but the system I work in is full on admin and cost consultant lead, with forms and procedures that mean you have to prove you have insurance and vat and everything before you get a sniff of payment. He doesn't get his cash work via me. I'm very lucky not to be anywhere near the sort of building site that will pay cash. If they are paying cash then they aren't doing all the paperwork, checking CS cards etc.. If that's the case, good luck with your insurance when it goes wrong. Should I report my one mate to my other mate? That would feel a bit shabby for some reason. Not absolutely clear why. Mates I guess, but then I've never 'snitched' on anyone and the real reason is probably right there, the connotation of 'snitch', 'grass'. I didn't report him when he had a back garden full of herbs either, come to think of it.

I guessed at a final crowd of just over 30,000 20 million of Randy's money divided between 30,000 Villa fans came to.........6 6 6 I think that just about sums it up. The guy can't even give money away without it turning to shit and somebody losing their soul.

Yep, I know a guy that does dry lining, same story, lots of cash work. Get him in conversation and he hates 'spongers'.

a friend of mine has a very bad penis allergy I nearly choked the ****