brommy

Are they allowed to decide what is in their best interests?

Just 52.5% of the Welsh then! Seriously though, of all the leave voters I have spoken to, very few of them were convinced they would be economically better off outside the EU. Most think the long term economic outlook will be similar, a few think it may be worse. That some remain voters may believe lowering the priority of economic success below other factors is wrong, amounts simply to a difference of opinion.

Do you perceive the Welsh to be stupid?

Did you consider that Wales' decision might have been based on non-economic factors?

A very large French company that has several thousand employees in the UK, wrote to it's UK work force, urging a remain vote and hoping a possible leave result wouldn't damage the UK employees prospects. Communications subsequent to the leave result have stated an acceptance of the result and reinforced the company's commitment to further investment within the UK.

I think the majority in Wales that voted to leave would need to be asked what the priority of the factors that influenced their leave vote was before a 'worse' judgement could be made; objective or not.

Isn't the 21st December the shortest day?

There's an interesting referendum for Northern Ireland! Be incorporated into Ireland or leave the EU? I think a similar referendum in Wales would lead to them remaining in the UK and leaving the EU. We might actually get to see Scotland leave the UK and reapply to join the EU, although I think the sizeable minority who voted to leave the EU could increase when they see the EU's terms.

Nice but fiddly is my prediction. Nice when it's relatively easy to slice really thin with a new sharp knife. Fiddly as it gets closer to the bone and the knife needs repeated sharpening, although the YouTube tutorials should help. Aldi currently have an Iberico Jamon which is supposedly high quality but I'd be interested in whether it's worth more than double the cost. I think your Lidl one at £30 is as far as I'd stretch for a meaty 'man experiment'. That doesn't read well!

I did what I was permitted to do before the move. I would have like to have agreed the niceties but the seller refused to play ball. I knew it would be difficult but had belief in my own ability to succeed and make the move worthwhile. A premature judgement might have seen me pull out of the move or decide to move back to where I originally wanted to move away from or, even worse, live in pity and regret. It took a few years before I knew it was worth it.

My figure of 10 years or so was based on various factors including the 'Remain' advice that it would take years (7 years was often branded) to establish trade contracts. If one's focus is primarily on economic values, knowing how slow economic patterns are established, it seems reasonable to judge a few years after said trade deals are established. Time will tell whether the possibly associated increase in crime will continue or reduce to it's pre-referendum levels. We can't be sure that a narrow 'remain' result wouldn't have resulted in an immediate knee-jerk reaction or a slowly increasing frustration amongst the apparently increasing numbers who wanted to leave the EU.

Yep. I think choffer has made 9 of them up to test us.

Funnily enough, I'd guess the demographic was pretty similar. I'm sure you understood my true analogy that premature judgement can be detrimental.

From virtually nowhere just 5 years ago in the UK, they now seem to be everywhere. I do like Jamon Iberico so it is something I find myself briefly considering each Christmas, but I'm not convinced the people I invite to my house would appreciate the £70 expense and carving/storing fiddle for it to be worth it. It does taste good but only if carved mega-thin so I think I'd be stuck carving it on demand as it can dry out quickly once carved and I wouldn't trust others not to hack it in to chunks! I hope you enjoy yours and it goes down a treat at the buffet.

There are at least a couple of reasons why I have been so happy with my wife for the past 25 years but I'd also add a lack of mind games to the list. I wouldn't even be friends with anyone who played mind games with me, so why so many woman (probably some men too), think a relationship can be good when mind games are played, is beyond me.

Only after ignoring all the advice that my house move would be a disaster!

There'll always be someone who hand dives for another "cheeky"* sausage roll, no matter how many serving implements are available. * I need to visit the 'things that piss you off...' thread regarding the misuse of the word 'cheeky'. There's nothing 'cheeky' about a Nandos or a pint. EDIT: I should have had faith that the misuse of 'cheeky' already features heavily in the correct thread.

Leaving the EU and whatever it entails is going to be a long and difficult journey, but that doesn't mean the journey won't be worth it. What people think of where we eventually get to will be highly subjective, but let's at least get there. I'm genuinely reminded of my last house move. I thought it was the right decision to move but I couldn't be certain whether I'd like the new area, whether the neighbours would be nice or whether the house would have issues not picked up in the survey. The seller turned out to be a very dodgy character. When I refused to meet his demand for an extra £2000 for the carpets (half of which were royal blue, FFS!), he kept delaying the move. After months and months of hassle with him and his solicitor, the moving day finally arrived. He obviously hadn't cleaned it since my final viewing, some months earlier. The carpets had been removed or damaged, the kitchen was thick with grease and the oven was broken, the showers and toilets were filthy and blocked, all the sink plugs had been ripped off their chains and taken, all the light bulbs had been removed or smashed. The day reduced my wife to tears. It took a lot of hard work, money and a long time to get our new house the way we wanted it. Two of our neighbours weren't that nice so for a couple years it was awkward at times. One of the awkward neighbours moved away after 3 years and the other 'grew up' and is now pretty decent. If I'd have judged the move after a week of putting the first offer in, or even two years after the actual move, I might have regretted it. After 5 years or so, our house finally felt like our home. It's now 18 years after the somewhat traumatic move it turned out to be one of the best things my wife and I have done for our Villa family. I occasionally drive past where I lived 20 years ago; it has gone downhill.

He was at Villa Park on Saturday. After his recent comments about jet-lag and his appearance and speech at the world robotics conference, we should look very closely at what may or may not be Tony in the future.

Why?

I think it's way too early to regret voting either way. I'll be judging whether the result was the correct decision in 10 years or so.

Well Santa's got to fill his time with something when he's off duty.

"Facebook Live! Is he ready?"

Artificial grass. First couple were too high and I wasn't entirely convinced by the samples on offer. My favourite was after some haggling on the price and the length of the guarantee.