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excellent! so new manager in place by the beginning of June, couldn't have done much more. Now for the investment!

Plam Berto for me.

surely being able to say, I helped save a guy's / or gals life would be an achievement to be proud of?

nah, let him go, he's 30 and not amazing. If we could have kept him and sold one of the drunks, sure, but its not the case.

Oz, I think that casually accepting cultural environments doesn't discriminate between philosophies and thus yes, there are plenty of people who are indifferent to the whole issue who may think themselves atheists without ever having meditated on the subject at all. However, for lay people on both sides as it were, you can say it comes down to choosing an approach you respect more. I don't know all there is to know about science, but I know the scientific method is worth respecting,the basic humility of seeking to prove a theory wrong, that to be a skeptic is preferable to believing or subscribing to any system / belief. Challenging questions is what improves us, and any limits on that, any absolute presuppositions that suggest we have to assume a Creator before questions is flawed. That if there is a God above all everything we know, a primestarter, it wouldn't align itself with such limited dogma and scripture at arbitrary points in the human line. Furthermore a God displaying human traits is not worthy of being held in such esteem above other humans. We have enough examples of good people on earth to take heed of who aren't coloured by a such a negative score in the bad column. Our values evolve, the world we live in evolves and our attitudes develop as we go. That God put no mechanism in the Bible for allowing for this was frankly rather short sighted if you ask me, and if there is a passage which allows for it, it clearly wasn't emphasised enough. No, I don't know all the parts of the bible, nor all the scientific answers and I ought to rectify the holes in my scientific knowledge where I can, which is why I say atheist agnostic, I cannot say with absolute certainty that there isn't something out there, but to limit oneself, especially to a philosophy that is SO divisive is just bizarre. I don't mean to offend you personally in any of this, and I apologise if I do, but there are just innate issues with any organised structural system that will always reveal their limitations. There's plenty of useful tales ( and plenty of repugnant stuff too ) to be taken from the bible and other morality handbooks, some of them still relevant and admirable but I think religion will continue to face opprobium and dissent from us lot so long as it insists on limits, and on rigid values that many contemporaries find irrelevant, antagonistic and just plain wrong.

Yeah I read that earlier Mike. Fascinating stuff, how the hell would you act in that situation? The Goering relations sterilising themselves is pretty drastic, shows how the burden of guilt really can weigh people down. When I was reading up on it it was generally in mind with descendants of the 'regular' joe bloggen party members, but to come from some of those directly hands on involved in perpetrating genocide must be an extraordinary psychological task to deal with. Great to see the bit about the Auschwitz survivor hugging the relative, I mean obviously the relatives weren't there etc, but it would be easy for people to relocate their anger onto him. It'd be interesting to know if there's a broader comparison that could be made in general on third generation readings of events in history. What did the french kids of 1850 think about La Revolution et Napoleon etc. I there a 'set' period of time one can roughly say needs to be passed before currents in historical discourse change naturally? Sorry, thinking and typing aloud.

i think it just really highlights the intest power of indoctrination and cultural conditioning, that kids are still not taught to be critical enough in questioning their environment and challenging "received wisdom". But I suppose that's the point. edit: and that attitude just carries on with them through life. It's easy, they think they want to know more and study theology ( talk about doss subject ) but must only ever shy away from serious reflection, for fear of answers they don't know how to process, which might upturn what's driven their identity for so long. For some that's a great challenge and a joy to make such a discovery, and that's there more to learn, but for alot I guess, it's just easier to learn all the facts and accept them, buy into such half assed but nice exculpatory noises like "he works in mysterious ways" to explain away anything remotely challenging.

my local priest rationalised there was a seperate god for the old testamaent and the new testament. Amazing.

poyet is an unpleasant individual who will embarrass us by getting into petty touchline fights with other managers all too often. No temperamental south americans please. ice cool scandinavians is what I want grayson is a ridiculous link, based on the statements put out by the club after sacking 'him', to hire an average league one manager would be tantamount to telling the fans to go **** do one.

changed my mind on martinez, think he'd be **** useless now. Lambert, AVB, some random foreign dude with a decent CV ( i don't follow football outside of GB must be someone ) Lambert or Adkins are the only credible british options available as I assume Rodgers is commtted to wansea now and I wouldn't want Di Matteo either. Lambert or AVB or some other talented foreign chap or I'm going to be so underwhelmed.

Getting fed up of motherfucking rejections. Hurry the cunting **** up Randy and get a **** manager pronto in please. FUCKSAKE

I would fancy Cardiff, Blackpool, Wolves, and Bolton ahead of them next year. **** knows about Blackburn, but, it depends if they lose hughton and more players they're buggered.

particularly tickled me.

overhearing maddeningly dull conversations that still distract you nonetheless, spoken at just the right pitch its un-ignorable. person one: it's been really hot today, in here i've been like hot and cold! person two: yeah, deffo, when i first came in it was really hot and then I opened the door and now it's colder! :bonk: angry that that dialogue stuck in my mind verbatim instantly, yet the pages I was trying to study appeared to have an invisible barrier preventing my eye sending signals to the brain to 'remember this shit'.

had a nice tikka masala tonight myself. Just if we're expanding into curries also 'mon ole. I have work to do, can't wait until friday, let's confirm this shit asap. STAT.

I love both though I think the Guard slightly suffers from not being consistent in choosing humour / drama, it jars the narrative a little but still a great film. ROTPOTA is good fun!

what's a non-permanent approach? Holt would be a terrible purchase. 31 ffs and one year in the top flight? Flavour of the season, ala the likes of marcus stewart a one hit wonder who thrives in a particular unit. Would flop spectacularly outside of that unit in my view. A reason of sorts for not wanting PL to an extent.

would be very much a disappointment now.

why? what's wrong with drogba celebrating it? he's a total diving word removed? and the terry thing is just... I mean honestly, how anyone can be satisfied that that mean is claiming success I don't know. Such an awful human being. :?

chelsea were **** embarrassing and jammy. I accept Bayern had more than enough chances to win, but its utterly spawny and mostly depressing to think that people like ashley cole didier drogba and john subhuman cum terry are celebrating. Sad

**** CUNTSOCKS! softened by a 5er on muller anytime but still, and poor spurs missing out on the CL too. Jammiest CL win since the redshite won in 05. Disgusting

maybe he just wants a free trip in a jet and to enjoy a sense of worshipping courtship, before lording it back up at Molde. ( they need to change their name honestly, maybe Royale Molde or something )

well as we know randy listens to fergie on appointments.... LIFE SAVINGS ON OLE!

he'll get a job in the championship.

Most clubs employ a manager with high hopes, someting like : New job, new prospects. We will give you a bonus when we sail past 75 points. We build in that if we don't get to 40 points..... :oops: Is it just me or what, at what point does a club like ours build in 40 points to a bonus. Surely it should be 40 points by Jan 1st or you are out, zero pay off. I would imagine there are a series of these things in the contract which cover bonus' for extreme success to stuff about almost destroying the club. Obviously, for this season all of the bonus' etc I imagine are hardly close to being realised Also, 40 pts by Jan 1st or off is one heck of a high standard, would see most clubs from about 4th downwards getting rid of their manager