terrytini

I try to only post fact based stuff, and I try to keep a balance between positivity and reality ( which is certainly not very positive). In doing so a Page or 2 ago I pointed out that even for the over 80’s the evidence is that 8-9/10 will recover. However, having read a few things about the relatively low number of deaths I can’t help but point a couple of things out.... .........by the time this is”over” tens of thousands of people in this Country will have died a bitter and painful death after a bitter and painful illness. Probably hundreds of thousands more will have suffered greatly - anyone who has had genuine ‘flu knows it is a vile and awful illness, and can last weeks. This will be far worse for many. For many who “only” get ill with this virus there will be significant pain and suffering......and it won’t just be old or infirm people. They might have more chance of dying but they don’t have more chance of getting sick. And along with those illnesses will be the fear of infecting the people you care about. There will be the doubt and uncertainty as to how long, and how bad, it will get for you. There will be feelings of powerlessness, and helplessness. And all over the country care workers, doctors, nurses, and many others, are living in daily fear about these things happening to them. I know it’s a forum, and everyone doesn’t feel the same way. I always try to respect the views of others. But please could people stop and think about some of what I’ve said here - and about the fact that we have people reading the site who are experiencing what I’ve described, before Posting about similarities with ‘flu, low overall death rates, and the rest ?

This thread suggests the severity of the situation hasn’t fully hit home to some ( including the Premier League). Its similar to people posting the latest number of deaths and getting reactions of surprise, when actually the numbers are at present fairly predictable. The disease is being tackled, but to misquote Churchill, “ this is not the End, nor the beginning of the End, nor even the End of the beginning”. There will be no football for months. I wonder when the last person will come to this conclusion...maybe only when it’s formally announced ?

Whilst there is some legitimacy to your post I’d suggest perhaps saying it was “ clearing out” ( in the earlier post) people is an unfortunate turn of phrase if you don’t mind me saying...just trying to be helpful

I hope you don’t mind but I will kind of correct what you’ve said there, just in case there’s anyone reading who is unduly alarmed by it.... ...The best evidence at present is that it may kill around 15% of those aged over 80 who catch it. So even for people aged over 80, between 8/10 and 9/10 who get it ‘will’ recover. For those between 70 and 80 the figures suggest 92/100 who get it will recover, and For those in their 60’s it’s expected 97/100 will recover. So really, it is NOT a “killer of the elderly” in as much as they are more at risk. Anyone with an elderly relative who gets the virus can still be reasonably confident of recovery.

Exactly right. Each to their own, but my advice is ignore anything that makes headlines like that. We could easily see between 400 and 7/800 deaths a day for a month or so, there will be bound to be all sorts in there.

Has been for ages. Absolutely no question. They can tag it onto the start of the next one, next year, if they want.

I’m a simple soul. But I like maths. For me the whole thing is about a simple equation of cases needing ICU needing to be below ICU Capacity. As soon as they aren’t people die, from both the virus and countless other diseases, accidents and illnesses which can’t be properly treated. This will include deaths which won’t show up yet, if at all, as being due to the virus, when people miss cancer treatment and all the rest. Every reading of the available data shows that without the measures used the number of cases rapidly exceeds capacity, in country after country. I find it hard to imagine that any sensible person armed with this information could question what’s been done. In fact the argument for me is why people weren’t at least warned / advised earlier so that those who wanted to could’ve taken steps sooner. Also. Money rules. Governments everywhere have taken measures that will cost them. No government does that unless they’ve no choice. For them all ( virtually all) to do it suggest they had good reason.

I think we will look back with horror and see we were teetering on the edge of an absolute catastrophe. And we won’t be “ looking back” on it for a long time yet. Neither of which will stop a certain percentage saying it was a fuss about nothing.

Same here. Although I always do, so not sure if it counts.

That reminds me of a couple of deranged barbers I used to know would break into people’s houses, sit the occupant in a chair, get behind them , pull out razors and scissors, then ask if they’d “ been away yet this year ? “. Terrifying.

If I may plug this as I am currently genuinely listening to it. Its by my Son. He wrote all the words and music, played every instrument, did the vocals and designed the album. But the bugger won’t promote it or perform it. I think it’s great, but it’s possible I’m biased. His heroes are Pink Floyd, in particular Roger Waters, so, if anyone has a spare hour, please have a listen. If I can send him even one positive comment it would be nice. ( it’s pretty miserable though, as people who know Roger would expect) ...he doesn’t know I’ve done this..

See above.

Yes, and not just the Police.

Not being funny at all but you posted just as I’m off.....apologies but hope my Pots over the last three pages explain my position even if you disagree

Anyway I’m aware I’m in a wee debate with one or two, so, nothing personal, I’ve other things to attend to......I’d think the totality of my Posts make what I think clear enough should anyone give a toss

Well there’s many reasons why it would be understandable from different peoples perspective, (*)but I’m not saying it is anyway. I’m saying selling the player isn’t appropriate. example..... you’ve just had a pint, your ma has a heart attack, you live miles from anywhere, you’ve no phone. Not saying I’d drive, but I’d understand someone who did. (Although I don’t understand anyone drinking, whether driving or not.)

Good question. But I could equally bat it back and say where would you ? ( and I did ask first ). Because if you’d sack him for drunk driving, what about reckless driving, what about 12 penalty points for speeding, what about driving a dangerous and unroadworthy car, or driving with no insurance ? To name but a few.

I’m afraid having spent my entire working life in law enforcement I can’t get my head around the lack of separation some have between punishing someone for a crime ( which is appropriate) and sacking them/ pillorying them/ disowning them or whatever ( which is subjective) I can say there would be an awful lot of untouchable people in many walks of life, including on here, if that was the norm, as criminal offences ( including serious ones) are committed every day by huge numbers of people. And those offences that one person finds unforgivable, another finds understandable.

Why ?

I agree.

I keep re reading it but you said it’s not the breach of the lockdown, or the driving ?

Neither would I. It’s a disgraceful offence with severe punishments, and anyone convicted can rightly expect to be severely punished. I don’t see the connection between that and selling him.

Again there is maybe the difference. I never respected him as a person in the first place. How could I, I know next to nothing about him ? I admire him as a footballer, I praise him as a footballer, I love him as a footballer. I think as soon as fans ( whether of film stars, musicians, footballers or whatever) step outside of that and into creating some artificial extra connection to their heroes there’s trouble in store.

Why would you sell him if he was convicted of drink driving ? What other offences would lead to selling players in your view ?

Or a man ?