terrytini

Well, if I’m lucky enough to be spared I will forever more put it down to the fags. At least it will make the thousands of pounds I wasted on them seem more justified .

I knew it. I absolutely f%%# knew it. Every day for the last ten years I’ve been waiting to discover I’d have been better off carrying on smoking Whats next ? A virus where it turns out the only immunity is people who’ve been eating 5 cakes a day for the last ten years ?

In as much as it isn’t being used. “ white elephant”.....would you believe ?

The money men must be rubbing their hands with glee at the increasing amount of “ ordinary” people complaining about unnecessary Nightingale hospitals, unnecessary restrictions, exaggerated claims about the disease, economic hardship and the rest. And it won’t concern them that many now deride the government as incompetent, as this means people will attach less weight to the things they say which DO matter. And of course the Liar In Chief Over The Water does his bit, getting people to turn on the WHO, implying Officials overstate their health resource needs, and constantly urging a return to work. It will make it so much easier for them to justify reopening and all the deaths and illness that will come with it

Worth repeating.

He is clearly completely out of his mind. Astonishing performance ( again).

Discussed on here weeks ago - just like in every other aspect of this disaster we are inexplicably way ahead of all news outlets. My wife is Deputy Manager of a Care Home. Mercifully, from my very selfish point of view, she has several serious underlying health conditions which meant her boss barred her from going in. Never thought I’d be thankful for her illnesses. But in the last week before she stopped going ( which was around a month ago now) she had to make the necessary arrangements for what to do at the home over the coming weeks. The stuff she told me was horrific. Many Care Homes have a mix of elderly, dementia, and other users. These people have all but been abandoned from the off. When it comes to numbers, I posted ages ago that Care Home deaths weren’t included, but also that neither were all hospital deaths from Co-vid.......I posted a link which showed the need for a Post Mortem had been waived. As such, it’s only deaths in hospital where the patient tests positive. If they aren’t tested, they also don’t show up on the stats. Likewise deaths at home. If you factor in that even countries with ( much better ) lockdowns can still expect a long period “ at plateau” ( an infected person on lockdown day could still be infecting people 2/3 weeks later, who in turn could still infect for a further 2/3 weeks) ( imagine that in Care Homes) I think your 17,000 is both conservative as of today, and will be dwarfed in the coming weeks. There will be no returning to normal this year. A partial lifting of the lockdown will occur in certain sectors, but be tighter in others, as soon as the cases needing hospital are fewer than Capacity.....but anyone thinking that is anything other than an unavoidable and undesirable step into the unknown is fooling themselves.

I concur. Need v Capacity ( in particular ‘need’ getting to a point where it’s within ‘ capacity’ ) is the whole ball game, certainly in the short to medium term, yet almost ignored.

Well said. I’m sick and tired of hearing Trump and other apologists suggesting this came as a surprise. We were debating it in detail on here in Jan/Feb, I and others had already “ locked down “ in early March.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/covid-19-hundreds-of-uk-care-home-deaths-not-added-to-official-toll?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other That’s an “ exclusive” tonight in the Guardian....

Nope, it’s true.

Pathetic way of defending a life saving directive. Ive spent my life campaigning against authoritarian rules, facist politics, and the rest. To not see the distinction is ridiculous. For a few weeks people can only go out for exercise ( and the other specified reasons)....all that is being said is that due to people not heeding this they may have to remove that aspect. How would you do it ! Have you volunteered to help the police ? NHS staff, Care Home staff, pleading for people to stay home. If they try to keep the restrictions as it subsides, by all means protest, ill join you.

I’ve had it here. Honestly, my thoughts go out to all those too ill, too old, too restricted, for whatever reason, to have the luxury of arguing for their right to do what the feel like.

Basic psychology divides our personalities into Parent, Adult, Child. Only the Child part of us responds to safety concerns by feeling punished.

Utterly unfathomable. It isn’t necessary - UNLESS it’s the only way to achieve what IS.

Lying down isn’t exercising.

I’m sick to death of reasoning with people bleating about not being able to go out. Once the danger receeeds, ill campaign as much as anyone if restrictions remain. But for now, the carping about not being able to XYZ turns my guts.

On this you are absolutely selfish, pig headed, and wrong.

Yes it’s the law now. But you were talking about the possible change, as was I Its not punitive. Its a requirement - if it happens - for a few weeks. It could save countless lives.

Idiotic.

It’s not a punishment. If we’d had a nuclear war, and the air was full of radiation, and people needed to stay indoors for their health, and to reduce strain on those brave enough to look after us, would you stay in, or go out ? The only difference is that restriction could last years, this will be a few weeks.

You can go out to exercise. You can’t go out to lie on a beach. What’s confusing ?

Speeding doesn’t equate to this. We don’t lock society down every now and again for the hell of it. If someone is that desperate for exercise walk round your living room. Its a few weeks of inconvenience I can’t believe the attitude of some.

It’s simple. Stay at home unless you need to go out. Your garden is “ at home”. Accepted needs are one form of exercise a day ( not sunbathing !!)......essential work journeys.....buying necessities, or providing help or care to a vulnerable person. I must admit in the same way I’m baffled how few people ( including the Leader of the Free World) understand either these rules, or the nature of the virus. It’s life threatening, it’s been here ages, we should all be experts by now .!

Not yet. But ffp will be scrapped.