terrytini

I agree 100% which is why I can’t get overly agitated about it.

I understand anger at him or anyone breaking the rules. I agree it’s poor behaviour. I don’t make the jump from that to fury or a desire/ opinion that anything other than a proportionate punishment is needed, and it doesn’t affect my views on him generally...( not saying you have done any of this).

Well I don’t want to come across as arguing for the sake of it, so please forgive me if I do, but leaving the scene of an accident is one offence, drunk in charge of a vehicle is another. If there’s no evidence to show he was drunk in charge of a vehicle he hasn’t “ got away with it” as mercifully our justice system doesn’t work like that..in my view. There’s no “it”.

I agree he shouldn’t be Captain.

Sold ? I respect your view. But I think that is ludicrously over the top. The guy went to his mates house. Its wrong. Personally I’d have banned movement weeks ago, and I’d lock up anyone who broke the law for a couple of days, and double it every time they did it again ( I wonder if that would include anyone who is furious at Grealish on here ?) It’s reprehensible. So in my world I’d throw him in jail. Then out he comes and we carry on.

I guess many feel that. Which is what happens if you expect things of people you don’t know. Why wouldn't he be a spoiled brat who thinks the rules don’t apply to him ? ( not saying I agree he is or isn’t) We’ve a country full of them, and footballers are as likely as any to be so.

Is it ? It’s still a world of crimes and punishments, and punishments are still to fit the crime. Last I checked ( I could be wrong) the punishment for the Lockdown thing was £30. I think he should get that punishment as he has admitted the issue. There are punishments for leaving the scene of an accident, and if he did, he shoukd get that. And he shoukd be punished for breaking Club rules. On top of that he has set a poor example, so it wouldn’t be wrong to take the Captaincy off him. But none of that provokes anger or any similar emotion in me I must confess.

So if he was drunk, and if he was in charge of the car, and if he doesn’t get prosecuted, he’s got away with it. Yes I guess so. Seems an odd train of thought to me.

With what ? Being drunk isn’t a crime.

Right well I now have read some of the thread .....goodness me !! I genuinely hadn’t realised how outraged some are/ were. I confess to not being. Bloke does bad thing, get him punished and carry on.

I’ve not read thread but I guess it depends what you mean by “ backing” him. Hes wrongly broke the Lockdown Rules and Club Rules and will rightly be punished. I’m not sure agreeing that that is appropriate is not backing him. As a player I’m backing him as much as I ever did.

I see. Wasn’t sure what you meant. Yes, I suppose he might have.

Ah I’d missed the fact that he was drinking and driving. edit : there’s no mention of it ?

Do what again and again ?

FFP was already on its last legs. It’s finished now.

Haven’t read thread. Just now seen press report, “apology”, and Club Statement. Prat. Needs to be punished appropriately and have Captaincy taken off him.. Not the worst thing I’ve seen people up to in this crisis, sets a poor example, not the end of the World.

You must be mad ... ...nothing to do with the virus though..

Indeed it was. I thought you meant the one the Normans were involved in in Merthyr. I’m ashamed to say I overlooked this completely.

Yes. This is in danger of becoming “ what have the Romans ever done for us, apart from ......” I was just trying to reassure the guy we weren’t a particularly rebellious Nation....... I guess that’s backfired and he can go back to worrying

Weren’t the guys in that all wealthy though ? It wasn’t a commoners uprising ? ( OT I know but had to defend myself )

I did indeed. No great uprising. Our default setting is a “ can’t be arsed” nation.

Yes apologies to him he at least had a go

Well if it’s any comfort we aren’t ..... we are almost unique in the World for never having had a citizens revolt. ( unlike China for example !).....even when we had a Civil War it was those in Power fighting each other rather than the oppressed rising up.

One last expression of my anger and bewilderment. I isolated myself completely on 11th March. I’d read the evidence and it was crystal clear what was coming. So....why, at that stage, didn’t the government at least issue advice informing people that anyone who could do so might at least want to consider it ? Not risking early close downs costing the economy, nor mass disobedience, nor any of the other feeble excuses. Just a nice simple bit of advice. So that people were informed. Maybe Granny would’ve asked the kids not to visit that day ? Maybe Fred might’ve decided not to go to Cheltenham. And Granny, and Fred, wouldn’t have got infected. Wouldn’t have needed hospital. Wouldn’t have infected the Nurse. Who wouldn’t have infected her Dad. And more people would still be alive.

Exactly. With the advance acquisition of equipment, for testing and treatment, with early restrictions on large social movement, with a clear message ( which took ages) that proximity and surfaces mattered aswell as coughing, with an advertising campaign, with local government being tasked with pooling resources and diverting them from non vital work, the peak of the “ curve” could have remained UNDER the ICU capacity, and every person who needed treatment could’ve got it, and every health worker been given sensible recovery time. Every one of those steps has been wargamed. Every one could’ve been done significantly earlier.