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you'll be talking about chucking in the peace cup next . I'm of the opinion that the Super Cup is highly prestigious myself. I suppose we can only beat whoever is there to play and win what we are in, but the intertoto is a 'trophy' for effectively prequalifying for todays europa league. The 2/3 Div titles hold much more significance imo. However, the original question just asked about the cups and 'a' league hence the original layout. It wasn't my preference, more the catalyst. Still, the thinking behind it was from a perspective of having something to cheer I suppose. Anyway, solutions. amended list below includes: European Cup, European Super Cup, Intertoto Cup, 1/2/3 Division titles, FA Cups and League Cups. Runs without any trophy: 1920/21 - 1937/38 - 18 seasons 2001/02 - Present - 15 seasons 1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 seasons 1938/39 - 1956/57 - 12 seasons (7 lost to WWII) 1983/84 - 1993/94 - 11 seasons 1961/62 - 1971/72 - 11 seasons 1887/88 - 1893/94 - 7 seasons 1996/97 - 2001/02 - 6 seasons 1900/01 - 1904/05 - 5 seasons 1905/06 - 1909/10 - 5 seasons 1977/78 - 1980/81 - 4 seasons 1910/11 - 1912/13 - 3 seasons 1913/14 - 1919/20 - 3 seasons (4 lost to WWI) 1957/58 - 1959/60 - 3 seasons 1972/73 - 1974/75 - 3 seasons 1897/98 - 1898/99 - 2 seasons 1975/76 - 1976/77 - 2 seasons 1994/95 - 1995-96 - 2 seasons 1 season: 1894 - 1895 1895 - 1896 1896 - 1897 1899 - 1900 1960 - 1961 1981 - 1982 1982 - 1983

found that gem and this in a piece in the Irish Times click

Hard to tell from the outside this one. Something has happened. I suppose we are free to speculate but if he's not happy here for whatever reason I suppose it's better he plays somewhere. I can't imagine if it's an 18 month loan we aren't getting a fee of some sorts.

They can have any format they like. If they did away with seeding in both Qualification and tournament draws they'll soon find something that's actually fair

@a m ole & @Grasshopper Polyocular

This one, well, it doesn't really go anywhere but my Mum's been on the phone, she had her hair cut at this place she was telling me about, before she went to meet Janet. Also it's from me so naturally i have nothing to say as ever. But then you all knew that anyway.

Love Tony Daley. My hero. GT was so instrumental in his career in particular. Some of his best years here were under GT. I think I'm right in saying he handed him his England debut too. Took him to Wolves despite the injuries when he was there and then again to Watford on his return to Vicarage Road. Is he still coaching at the Wolves? (Why have we never brought him home?) If so or either way it seems fitting our next game is against them. Even more so if he'll be on the bench.

Mind you, dare I ask if the European Super Cup counts as a major trophy?

Isn't it just. just before then the "He'd give me stick when I haven't been behaving properly" comment around 2:40 I think alludes to EJ's alcoholism and GT being instrumental in getting him right. Taylor spoke a few years ago on 5live about Elton coming round his house and GT sticking a pint of brandy in front of him and telling Elton he may as well drink up coz that's what he's doing anyway. the bit in that interview with EJ about it not being right to ask Villa for any money for him is incredible by today's standards though.

and Westwood a 5 year one last summer IIRC

I think you're being harsh on Westwood myself. Gabby, Richards and Hutton are loads worse than him. As too is Gardner imo.

He laid the foundations for Big Ron to just add a bit of sparkle to no doubt at all. I have no doubt he would have won things if he'd stayed.

Also I'm well gutted that my amazing witticism relating to the length of the contract Westwood is on seems to have been lost along the way. 4 year extensions all round!!!!

I thought Steve Hughes outlined what a real man was some years back. NSFW and all that Steve Hughes on 'Real Men'

It's ok. Tiny things please tiny minds and with a thing this tiny I'd be hard pressed to please anything

Finally rid of Westwood.

I doubt Kelvin McKenzie is capable of empathy unfortunately. people are most often quick to forget what was happening with Gazza at the time after his sparkling world cup. I think he played about 10 games in 3 years. Remember the booing of John Barnes at Wembley? terrible business. I also remember saying he should hook Lineker off in that game he is pilloried for doing so in, as he was playing awfully and had hardly been involved AND while we're on it - Lineker didn't equal Charltons record for England because he missed a penalty against Brazil in a friendly IIRC not because someone subbed him against Sweden. He did pick Carlton Palmer a lot though, so I shall stop defending him too much!! The decision not to send Koeman off in that England game in '93 was it? Is one of 3 moments with England that still annoy me to this day, the other 2 being the Lampard 'ghost goal' and The hand of god (not God). To have been the only person who has ever or will ever know what being at the centre of that particular media circus felt like (And this was post Hillsborough, power mad, Sun at it's worst kids), and to remain an open and caring man is a mark of his undoubted class and dignity imo.

Nice. His humanity shines through. And before the media turned on him. Not many Chairmen would talk of a manager who has just resigned like Elton in this one.

ah the bold was more of a 'we are here' marker, The correction is at the bottom

I agree it doesn't feel right. This is just 'major' trophies, so included are the European Cup, European super Cup, 1st Division titles, FA Cups and League Cups. Longest runs without a 'major' trophy: 1920/21 - 1956/57 - 30 seasons (7 lost to WWII) 1996/97 - Present - 21 seasons 1961/62 - 1974/75 - 14 seasons 1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 seasons 1983/84 - 1993/94 - 11 seasons 1887/88 - 1893/94 - 7 seasons 1900/01 - 1904/05 - 5 seasons 1905/06 - 1909/10 - 5 seasons 1957/58 - 1960/61 - 4 seasons 1977/78 - 1980/81 - 4 seasons 1910/11 - 1912/13 - 3 seasons 1913/14 - 1919/20 - 3 seasons (4 lost to WWI) 1897/98 - 1898/99 - 2 seasons 1975/76 - 1976/77 - 2 seasons 1994/95 - 1995-96 - 2 seasons 1 season: 1894 - 1895 1895 - 1896 1896 - 1897 1899 - 1900 1981 - 1982 1982 - 1983

Thanks for those. I needed a laugh after the GT news.

do i not like this RIP Mr Taylor you were well loved and your exploits here will be talked of for many years yet.

Can't find one doing a search which considering all the whimsical musings over the years is probably operator error so mods, feel free to merge it or whatever as usual, but in answering a question on another thread "Is this the longest run in the clubs history without winning a League, FA Cup or League Cup?" it caused me, as this site can from time to time, to delve into the recesses of the interweb to find some answers. I thought instead of filing my findings away in my never to be seen again file on my desktop I may as well chuck it here as surely someone else might find it interesting over a cup of tea. That or I've wasted a couple of hours!! But there are many times over the last few years where posters have said "I just spent an hour working that out" and maybe somewhere to chuck all this stuff as a resourse tool might stop all that time and effort disappearing into the ether. Proper history buffs please feel free to correct anything you see wrong. Mathematicians feel free to check I've carried the one It is now, in 2017, 21 seasons ago that we lifted the League Cup back in 1996. There are bound to be posters on this site that weren't even born then. That puts it into context somewhat! And counting all divisional titles it is indeed the longest run without one. There's a 37 year period between the 1920 FA Cup win and the 1957 FA Cup win where we didn't win either a Division 1 title or either of the 2 cups (although there was still only the one back then) but there's a division 2 title in there and also 7 years lost to WW II. Anyway here's what I found amongst that long list of numbers we've all looked at. The honours. But with the angle being how long we've had to wait between trophies. It took us 13 years to win an FA Cup from our formation although granted some of that time we were still playing Rugby one half and Association Rules the other! And League Football just wasn't around yet. 1874/75 - 1886/87 (FA CUP) 13 YEARS One more year to go until McGregor does his thing and league football is born......and then it takes us 6 years to win it. 1887/88 - 1893/94 (DIV 1 ) 7 YEARS (1888/89 Football League formed) Own the 1890's.....including the second ever double (after Preston do it in the inaugural 1888/89 Football League season). 1894 - 1895 (FA CUP) 1 YEAR 1895 - 1896 (DIV 1 ) 1 YEAR 1896 - 1897 (D1 + FA CUP) 1 YEAR 1897/98 - 1898/99 (DIV 1 ) 2 YEARS 1899 - 1900 (DIV 1 ) 1 YEAR 3 more trophies before the war...... 1900/01 - 1904/05 (FA CUP) 5 YEARS 1905/06 - 1909/10 (DIV 1 ) 5 YEARS 1910/11 - 1912/13 (FA CUP) 3 YEARS 2 more trophy-less seasons after the 1913 FA Cup win WW I breaks out and we lose seasons 1915/16, 16/17, 17/18, 18/19, but win the FA Cup the year it starts up again. 1913/14 - 1914/15 WW I 1919 - 1920 (FA CUP) 3 YEARS Then it is barren. 37 years until our next First Division or FA Cup win. Our first relegation in 1936 but then also our first Second Division title in 1938. Either way our longest time without a trophy at that point and our longest wait since the formation of the league since which the fans had only ever gone 6 seasons without one of the major trophies. 1920/21 - 1937/38 (Div 2 ) 18 YEARS However 1 year after promotion WW II breaks out and we lose another 7 seasons - namely 1939/40, 40/41, 41/42, 42/43, 43/44, 44/45, 45/46. It takes 11 years after it gets going again before we beat the Busby Babes and all that..... 1938 - 1939 WW II 1946/47 - 1956/57 (FA CUP) 12 YEARS Then 60 years ago we decided the FA Cup wasn't really for us before obviously getting relegated again in 1959 just to get another Second Division title under our belts before the inaugural League Cup... 1957/58 - 1959/60 (Div 2 ) 3 YEARS 1960 - 1961 ( L CUP) 1 YEAR It would be 14 years, some relegations and a promotion until we saw a major trophy like that again (well exactly that trophy), although the Third Division title would set the record for 4th longest wait for any trophy at the time at 11 years. Relegated for a 3rd time in '67 and again to the third tier in 1970. 1961/62 - 1971/72 (Div 3 ) 11 YEARS One more League cup before I'm born 1972/73 - 1974/75 ( L CUP) 3 YEARS And then people stopped counting and lived the dream I guess ending the 71 year wait (60 seasons) for the 7th title along the way. 1975/76 - 1976/77 ( L CUP) 2 YEARS 1977/78 - 1980/81 ( DIV 1 ) 4 YEARS 1981 - 1982 (EUROPEAN CUP + Charity Shield) 1 YEAR 1982 - 1983 (EUROPEAN SUPER CUP) 1 YEAR (As a side note people often say to me "I wish I was born when we won it all". Do you? Do you really? Because I was, but I don't really remember it, so I always wish I was a bit older and could have been around to actually appreciate it. I feel more mocked by the Gods than you basically!! anyway on with the boring.....) 11 years and joint 4th longest wait for a trophy (at that time) with another relegation and resurgence thrown in along the way of course Turner, McNeill, Taylor, Venglos and then League Cup wins for Big Ron and Brian Little, it's all becoming a bit clearer..... 1983/84 - 1993/94 ( L CUP) 11 YEARS 1994/95 - 1995/96 ( L CUP) 2 YEARS And then, just nothing. 1996/97 - ???? 21 years without a trophy. 36 years without a league title. 60 years without an FA Cup win. Longest runs without any trophy: 1996/97 - Present - 21 years 1920/21 - 1937/38 - 18 years 1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 years 1938/39 - 1956/57 - 12 years (7 lost to WWII) 1983/84 - 1993/94 - 11 years 1961/62 - 1971/72 - 11 years N.B. This does not include the Intertoto Cup. See below.

EXPRESS AND STAR 16 - 12 - 2016 Didn't think he was back until after the window shuts.........if at all.