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  1. Can't find one doing a search which considering all the whimsical musings over the years is probably operator error so mods, feel free to merge it or whatever as usual, but in answering a question on another thread "Is this the longest run in the clubs history without winning a League, FA Cup or League Cup?" it caused me, as this site can from time to time, to delve into the recesses of the interweb to find some answers. I thought instead of filing my findings away in my never to be seen again file on my desktop I may as well chuck it here as surely someone else might find it interesting over a cup of tea. That or I've wasted a couple of hours!! But there are many times over the last few years where posters have said "I just spent an hour working that out" and maybe somewhere to chuck all this stuff as a resourse tool might stop all that time and effort disappearing into the ether. Proper history buffs please feel free to correct anything you see wrong. Mathematicians feel free to check I've carried the one It is now, in 2017, 21 seasons ago that we lifted the League Cup back in 1996. There are bound to be posters on this site that weren't even born then. That puts it into context somewhat! And counting all divisional titles it is indeed the longest run without one. There's a 37 year period between the 1920 FA Cup win and the 1957 FA Cup win where we didn't win either a Division 1 title or either of the 2 cups (although there was still only the one back then) but there's a division 2 title in there and also 7 years lost to WW II. Anyway here's what I found amongst that long list of numbers we've all looked at. The honours. But with the angle being how long we've had to wait between trophies. It took us 13 years to win an FA Cup from our formation although granted some of that time we were still playing Rugby one half and Association Rules the other! And League Football just wasn't around yet. 1874/75 - 1886/87 (FA CUP) 13 YEARS One more year to go until McGregor does his thing and league football is born......and then it takes us 6 years to win it. 1887/88 - 1893/94 (DIV 1 ) 7 YEARS (1888/89 Football League formed) Own the 1890's.....including the second ever double (after Preston do it in the inaugural 1888/89 Football League season). 1894 - 1895 (FA CUP) 1 YEAR 1895 - 1896 (DIV 1 ) 1 YEAR 1896 - 1897 (D1 + FA CUP) 1 YEAR 1897/98 - 1898/99 (DIV 1 ) 2 YEARS 1899 - 1900 (DIV 1 ) 1 YEAR 3 more trophies before the war...... 1900/01 - 1904/05 (FA CUP) 5 YEARS 1905/06 - 1909/10 (DIV 1 ) 5 YEARS 1910/11 - 1912/13 (FA CUP) 3 YEARS 2 more trophy-less seasons after the 1913 FA Cup win WW I breaks out and we lose seasons 1915/16, 16/17, 17/18, 18/19, but win the FA Cup the year it starts up again. 1913/14 - 1914/15 WW I 1919 - 1920 (FA CUP) 3 YEARS Then it is barren. 37 years until our next First Division or FA Cup win. Our first relegation in 1936 but then also our first Second Division title in 1938. Either way our longest time without a trophy at that point and our longest wait since the formation of the league since which the fans had only ever gone 6 seasons without one of the major trophies. 1920/21 - 1937/38 (Div 2 ) 18 YEARS However 1 year after promotion WW II breaks out and we lose another 7 seasons - namely 1939/40, 40/41, 41/42, 42/43, 43/44, 44/45, 45/46. It takes 11 years after it gets going again before we beat the Busby Babes and all that..... 1938 - 1939 WW II 1946/47 - 1956/57 (FA CUP) 12 YEARS Then 60 years ago we decided the FA Cup wasn't really for us before obviously getting relegated again in 1959 just to get another Second Division title under our belts before the inaugural League Cup... 1957/58 - 1959/60 (Div 2 ) 3 YEARS 1960 - 1961 ( L CUP) 1 YEAR It would be 14 years, some relegations and a promotion until we saw a major trophy like that again (well exactly that trophy), although the Third Division title would set the record for 4th longest wait for any trophy at the time at 11 years. Relegated for a 3rd time in '67 and again to the third tier in 1970. 1961/62 - 1971/72 (Div 3 ) 11 YEARS One more League cup before I'm born 1972/73 - 1974/75 ( L CUP) 3 YEARS And then people stopped counting and lived the dream I guess ending the 71 year wait (60 seasons) for the 7th title along the way. 1975/76 - 1976/77 ( L CUP) 2 YEARS 1977/78 - 1980/81 ( DIV 1 ) 4 YEARS 1981 - 1982 (EUROPEAN CUP + Charity Shield) 1 YEAR 1982 - 1983 (EUROPEAN SUPER CUP) 1 YEAR (As a side note people often say to me "I wish I was born when we won it all". Do you? Do you really? Because I was, but I don't really remember it, so I always wish I was a bit older and could have been around to actually appreciate it. I feel more mocked by the Gods than you basically!! anyway on with the boring.....) 11 years and joint 4th longest wait for a trophy (at that time) with another relegation and resurgence thrown in along the way of course Turner, McNeill, Taylor, Venglos and then League Cup wins for Big Ron and Brian Little, it's all becoming a bit clearer..... 1983/84 - 1993/94 ( L CUP) 11 YEARS 1994/95 - 1995/96 ( L CUP) 2 YEARS And then, just nothing. 1996/97 - ???? 21 years without a trophy. 36 years without a league title. 60 years without an FA Cup win. Longest runs without any trophy: 1996/97 - Present - 21 years 1920/21 - 1937/38 - 18 years 1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 years 1938/39 - 1956/57 - 12 years (7 lost to WWII) 1983/84 - 1993/94 - 11 years 1961/62 - 1971/72 - 11 years N.B. This does not include the Intertoto Cup. See below.
  2. As a Villa fan who lives in Toronto I am re-doing my office and need an Aston Villa picture put on the wall. I am looking for something great. What do you recommend, what are your favourite Villa related photographs of the stadium, players, moments etc? Thanks in advance.
  3. With all this optimism around the club at the moment, it got me thinking... What are some of the worst Villa games you can remember? Games that left you feeling full of frustration, desperate, or just completely numb. Some recent ones I can think of to start off: Bolton away 17/18 - a horribly cold day that put the nail in pushing for automatic promotion, having just beaten Wolves the week before. Southampton away 14/15 - completely crumbling to a 6-1 defeat with that Mane hat-trick in 3 minutes. Stoke home 08/09 - conceding two late goals and drawing the game, effectively killed our chances of top 4 Anyone got any others that stand out?
  4. Today is the anniversary of the Double Stare. Steer on Holgate. Jedinak on his own fans. Two years ago today, a penalty shoot out I will never, ever tire of re-watching. Which got me thinking, if you had a six pack of beers and a free Friday night, which Villa match from years gone by would you get stuck into? My all time is Villa v Tranmere, that had absolutely everything!
  5. What were you doing ? I was a 17 year old at Highbury watching us become champions. There's a great little vid on the villa App.
  6. Saw this in the Halesowen News. Appears to be a very sad and lonely end for one of our former players. RIP Will
  7. No gloves One sub Terraces players called Chris, Ken, John, - none of this Wayne, Jamie, bollox
  8. I seem to recall a fair few shockers. A defeat at Spurs with Defoe grabbing 2 is one that sprung to mind. As for good results, my first 2 boxing day wins were QPR in 88 and Man United in 89. That was, ironically, the last time Villa have won consecutive boxing day games. We can match that today by beating Palace. I seem to have the feeling that we don't do so well on this day traditionally. What do you think about our history on 26th December and which games stick out?
  9. Since there's bugger all else going on... Who's in the phantom Villa squad? Those legends of transfer windows of old, whose names appeared alleging Villa interest in trash article after clickbait bollocks, the rarefied few of which managed to take up permanent residence in a special basement... There's 2 that are basically locks for me. Wesley Sneijder and Miguel. Sneijder was seemingly a fraction from happening for an entire summer it felt like, but deep down you knew it was absolute horseshit. And Miguel got linked to us every single window for about 3 years. His agent must have loved us. Such an odd link too... ... ...Rashica?
  10. Given that we are all bored / fed up / excited / overwhelmed / underwhelmed / <insert random other emotion> by possible links, dubious rumours, lazy journalists, fake ITKs, possible ITKs, etc - I thought I would try to spark a separate stream of debate, argument, controversy and hopefully some interest too. So here is the basic premise - I have invented a time machine that allows me to go back in time to "collect" some Villa legends and bring them into a timeless world where we can arrange an All Time Villa Inter Generation Cup (kind of like a "Bill & Ted's Most Excellent Villa Adventure" if you like). Basically, five teams, five eras. I haven't decided the format of the competition yet - quite frankly that can be sorted later or not at all. Just for the sheer hell of it I have set the generations as Team A: Pre 1930, Team B: 1930-1970, Team 1970 - 1985, Team 1985 - 2000, Team E: Post 2000. I have also elected to use a default 4-4-2 formation which causes some problems assigning players to positions (particularly for the earlier teams when the formations were completely different and detailed information about players' attributes are less complete (so apologies to any proper Villa historians if I have selected any players in a completely unsuitable position - or have created a team that has no balance whatsoever!!). I will post the Team line ups over the next few days and invite constructive (or if merited, abusive) feedback and alternate suggestions for different positions. Obviously football is all about personal opinions so I am sure that some of my selections and some players I have excluded will not sit well with all. I do hope that everyone enjoys it and hopefully I will be able to introduce the names of some Villa legends that may have slipped people's minds. Needless to say there is no actual way to compare players from different dynasties and there is no guarantee that stars of yesteryear would cope with modern football. So this is why I have tried to keep the generations together. Oh and please no suggestions for other team lineups until they are published - it would be useful to keep debate largely limited to one team at a time! Thanks. Oh and obviously if this has been done to death in the past then get a mod to close me down before I bore everyone!!
  11. A bit of fun while the transfer window is a little quiet.. Can you name the ex-Villan? 1 player - 4 clues Kicking off with an easy one.. • I was signed by Villa twice under 2 different managers. • I've played for 6 different Clubs. • I've won every domestic club honour except a Europa League (Uefa Cup). • My senior International debut came in 2009 vs Netherlands. Who am I?...
  12. This was probably the closest thread i could think to put this in. The iconic, if short lived yellow shirt of the early 90s.....love the way the badge is imposed on the shirt at a angle.....but.... I've only just noticed that the lion is still upright and not rotated to the left in line with the lettering....and it's bugging me !
  13. Do we have enough for an all star XI? The obvious candidate is Robert Pires. I’m tempted to throw Peter Schmeichel in as well, perhaps a bit harsh, but he was a pretty mediocre player by the time he arrived here.
  14. Just seen on the local news we played Chelsea in 2000 final on this day. Regardless of it being a terrible negative performance I've always thought that was the last day we were really seen as a big player in the English game. Even though the 90s were seen as a period of underachievement we still won two cups, finished 2nd in the league and had many other top 6 finishes in that period. Also had many top international players in our squad. After that game I can remember Merson, Ugo, Southgate and David James all putting in transfer requests and wanting to leave although they were all still actually at the club for the start of the next season. You could see though they all sensed that was the end of the road for that squad. Even though Chelsea were only seen as big player in English game from Abramovich onwards their 11 that day had likes of Zola, Marcel Desailly and George Weah in it. They'd reach the champions league quarter finals that season and indeed had finished above us in the league for the previous three seasons (I don't think we've finished above Chelsea in the league since 96/97 season which is a sobering fact). Since that season I think we've only finished in the top half of premier league 7 times in over 20 seasons. The next two seasons we finished 8th twice so we slipped from the top 6 regulars we were for majority of the 90s. A hugely disappointing day that had a long term knock on impact for us. Also that summer the old Trinity was knocked down which also chipped away at our self esteem given it was one of those things that set us apart from many clubs.
  15. Seen something like this on Twitter, thought I'd start a thread. We have had our share of tough players. Back in the day we had, Mike Pejic, Leighton Phillips, but my favourite has to be Garry Thompson, or has we affectionately called him, Bruno. I remember his tangles with Steve Walsh of Leicester, two tough men giving no quarter. Neale cooper was another, boy, did he like a tackle. Such a shame he didn't replicate his Aberdeen form for us.
  16. The favourite Villa shirt thread, and Gareth's never ending collection of shirts, got me wondering what else other Villa fans had collected over the years. I have a few things, old programmes mainly but, I do have three prized possessions. An unused (f**king dreadful, I know) match ticket, for the European Cup Final, signed by Allan Evans with the final programme - bought for £10 in 1988 at a Villa programme fayre at the back of the North stand. For the record, I was 10 in 1982 and had nobody to take me to the final! Gutted! An official Villa club football signed by the entire 1994 League Cup final winning squad - a Coventry supporting in-law saw it a car boot and bought it with me in mind, for £6. An official Villa club record (book) of every player who'd played for us up until 1988 (time of print) and got it signed by the entire squad plus Graham Taylor. Sent it back to Bodymoor Heath at a date and got it signed by a few more players. Also got Jimmy Macewan to sign it. He was a player from back in the day who used to visit the shop I used to work at in Erdington. If there's already a thread for this mods, please relocate for me?
  17. Hi guys and any ladies, I have joined your forum in the real hope that you can just maybe, hopefully, help me. What it is, I am trying to research the career of my second cousin, on my grand-father's side, Leighton Phillips. Leighton is from Briton Ferry, the same as my dad and they were cousins From my research I can see that Leighton played for your great club and I would very, very much like any memories of him, any anecdotes, and to just maybe be able to tell me what he was like as a player? I believe he actually captained your famous club but I don't know any dates. Any info at all you can give me would be very much appreciated. Especially the time when Villa won 5-1 v Liverpool and also 2-1 at Anfield - circa late 70's, amongst other, no doubt, note - worthy games. When I was a young boy Leighton passed on a black and white photo of Villa, through my auntie Ena, but sadly, I don't know where it is now.. I love footballer and I have supported Liverpool for years but this is something which I have always wanted to do and now is as good as time as any. Anyhow, all the best, Thanks for reading, Andy Phillips
  18. I’ve been looking for footage on YouTube of our early years in the Intertoto Cup (2000/01, 2001/02 and 2002/03). I’ve only found the Marila Pribram (aka Dukla Prague) game at the Hawthorns in 2000 and the Lille away game in 2002. i’d love to see some others, particularly the 4-1 win against Basel in 2001 when Ginola scored. Does anyone know where any of these games might be available to watch or buy?
  19. Hey guys, I was having a conversation with a friend about John Terry and at one point I mentioned that he was probably somewhere in my Top 10 list of Villa Captains of my lifetime*. This got me wondering if there was a list somewhere of ALL Captains from Villa's birth in 1874 to the present day. A very brief Google search wasn't particularly helpful, though there's emphasis on the words "very brief" There's many many learned posters on this forum and stats guys that may have this. Can we start a chronological list please? I'll happily edit this post when there's changes. Apologies if this has Bin Dunne before but just thought it was an interesting topic. UTV *born 85, fully fledged support as of 94.
  20. I got to thinking last night about my youth and the Villa....memories of certain things that will never leave me, so here goes a few of em : - 3pm kick off on a winter's afternoon....half way through the second half, the A V floodlights kicking in, twinkling against the slate grey sky, pigeons fluttering off them as they warm up. - Having a crap view of the game from the Holte until we score, a mad surge and you end up 10 yards away from your mates, but now with a better view ! - Same crush in the Holte, no room to move, a fat drunk bloke behind you declares loudly he needs a piss....then as if by magic a 5 yard gap appears all around him ! The theme from an "unfinished silent movie" (Hurricane Smith) as players warmed up. Music supplied by Andy Cash records of erdington. - Cigar smoke drifting across and its lingering smell.....(and I dont even smoke) - Geezer in front of you, with a transistor radio, letting you know the other scores. (Who needed smart phones !) - Or, checking the scores as they were put up at half time - each game had a letter reference. Game A was Liverpool v Cov, game B was Forest v man city... - Chanting "Sid Sid Sid !" before the match as he warmed up by the left corner flag, but I dont ever recall Mr Cowans even acknowledging us ! - Singing "seats aggro" if the trinity road posh boys got outraged at the ref. As you can work out, these were recalled from my days standing on the Holte. I've tried to leave out stuff like on the way to the game/after the game & just tried to keep it of memories inside VP. I realise this thread might appeal to those of a certain age !
  21. That Stoke game where we were 2-0 up with 5 minutes to go, Ryan Shawcross and our very own Glenn Whelan scored for them. It ultimately killed us as a football club at the time, we never really recovered from it. What could have been? Champions League football? Who knows? It’s a distant memory now, makes me sad what are you memories of that day?
  22. Any recommendations for good books worth reading that are AVFC related? I'm not especially interested the old history stuff but more so biographies from more recent times.
  23. Come on then, which one of you dickheads did it? Fess up.
  24. sidcow

    Tony Morley

    I have seen on another forum which shall not be named that Tony is in hospital for a knee replacement. My ultimate hero is Sid Cowans obviously.. Truth be told I am unfortunately a couple of years short of really seeing the League/European champions teams in action, I only started going with my mates in the mid 80's but I saw them a couple of times when my dad took me to Villa Park and started the obsession. Sid is my ultimate hero because I had the privilege of seeing him play regularly in his second and third stints with us and my god he was beyond supreme. Still for me better in his position than McGrath. HOWEVER when I was 10 years old I was ALWAYS Tony Morley when playing football. I was shocked to not find a thread specifically about him when I went to write about his hospital appointment *. This guy is a true Villa legend. He crossed the ball to Withe for our greatest ever moment. Anyway I wish him well and hope his new knees provides a better quality of life for him, bad knees are a real downer for people who suffer. I once met him and like all the old players I have met seemed a really decent fella. Good luck Tony. * it may actually exist as I am technology incompetent but I did search for a thread with his name in the title which came up blank. Apologies if this is me in the wrong!
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