NurembergVillan

Or "turncoats" as they should rightly be called. They exist now, but not for much longer. They'll be squashed like the pathetic insects they are.

"The Zidane Final"

This better? Think I figured it out.

It's also the 430th anniversary of Sir Francis Drake sailing a fleet into Cadiz harbour and "singeing the King of Spain's beard". Surprised The Sun missed an open goal with that one today. They must've been gutted they had to report on the general election.

A thread to celebrate whatever happened on X years to the day. Funny, sad, political, sporting - an opportunity for dewy-eyed nostalgia. It's 28 years today since Maradona did the most iconic warm-up ever -

Fake maps!

You genuinely don't win friends with salad. Or conversations about politics! I agree with you in terms of the news - stories come and go. Celebrity super-injunctions, serial killers, whatever, they all have one individual or a small group as the focal point and a particular issue that makes it newsworthy (or not, in most cases!). With the likes of the Mail, Sun and Express though, it's shallow rhetoric and often founded in selective truth or outright lies. It's aimed at broader groups of people, and the definitions have very fuzzy edges - "Migrants", "Remoaners". It's death by a thousand paper cuts, as the "facts" of each story become irrelevant and forgotten but the more bullshit that's piled on, the harder it is to get the stench out. The division is intentional too. As humans, we love an escape goat (go on, treat yourself to some pedantry there ;)) and so these outlets are on the one hand showing people how tough their lives are, and on the other giving them someone to blame - all the while diverting attention away from the corporate pigs who are really pulling all the strings. We're living in a post-facts world, where yesterdays news is now also yesterday's fish and chip paper, and the headlines are all that matters.

True. I'd got my wires crossed and thought he was editing the Metro when I posted that!

I was open and honest about it! And I only wish it was a gag. Sadly, I genuinely believe it to be true. The media has way more sway over our laws and regulations than an ordinary MP. I'd feel certain "Mrs May" would be more likely to bend to the requirements of Rupert Murdoch than most of her ordinary MPs.

That's fair enough. I'm full of cold, jacked up on coffee, and also handling a fairly delicate legal matter whilst enjoying this debate so errors are possible. I actually think Enemies of the People is even worse, as it's not associating the judges as being enemies of the "state, or nation" which are simply abstract concepts that we subscribe to in order to bind ourselves to something bigger, but as enemies of every single man, woman and child on the street.

As I just posted in the Tory thread, he's presumably realised he'll have far more influence over the future of the country in his editorial role than he ever would in Government. Sad, but apt timing for the debate in this thread.

Just turn it on its side when you're posting to VT and it'll be fine

Gideon has quit as MP for Tatton to focus on his new role as Editor of a national newspaper. Presumably he'd realised he'll have far more influence from that office than he ever had as Chancellor.

In an ideal world we'd have completely impartial media, who simply report facts. We don't though, and we never will have. However, it's one thing pledging outright support for a particular party or candidate but quite something different to castigate a whole section of voters for not agreeing with your stance. "Give change a chance" and "Don't let Cam con you" are worlds apart from "Enemies of the State" and "Crush the Saboteurs".

Yeah, that's what I've signed up for. Had a nightmare with the order process though, and had to place my order 3 times. Communication from BT has been woeful. Think we've finally got there in the end though! I also managed to get about £80 cashback through Quidco, so all in it's an awesome offer.

It's almost like these right wing haterags are being given unseen privileges to stay "on message". Nah, it'd never happen. In other, completely unrelated, news - Paul Dacre is the only media figure to have been granted a private audience (a private dinner, no less) with the PM at the Führerbunker in the first 6 months of her elevation last year.

While I'm here -

It'll be absolutely touted as a Brexit election. Prominent right wing Twitter gobshites are already brainwashing the gullible masses. In keeping with their editorial tone though, the Mail are a few goose steps further to the right. Seems they wouldn't mind a civil war...

WHAT A GOAL Asensio. That is simply superb.

What a goalscorer Ronaldo is. Absolutely incredible.

Craig Shakespeare must iron his shirts over a wok. Fat mess.

It's like watching Muhammad Ali against a pikey bare knuckle fighter. You'd think Ali would dance his way through it, but Mickey O'Neil is absolutely screaming at him here.