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Reading beat small heath 5-1 and now look our biggest threat with 18 points from 9 compared to our 23 from 10.

Arsenal have lost to Fulham.

I missed Gabby vomiting, when and where was that?

A nice write up Pete, and I'd like to echo what Hev said, everyone we met was friendly and happy to have a chat. I've put Wigan on my "nice places" list. Although the weather's foul.

Dicky York and Arthur Dorrell are next on 390, then Eric Houghton on 392.

Apologies, HH was still with Villa in 1915 when he was involved in the picture house company, and hadn't yet finished in football. It's the drink I'm afraid.

I've been driving the folks around all day, but now I will relax with a Guinness.

A Merry Christmas to you General and also to Zandra and the man that sank the Monocacy! Please pass on our festive best wishes to Randy and the Lerner family too.

What does it say?

I really like this description.

Exactly, so if I was offered the money to kill him, I'd kill him. If taking the money led indirectly to his death, I'd leave it.

I understand your reasons Jerry, and I also know that we're trampling around somewhat clumsily in your lives. I'd love a different type of answer, but I am as you note just curious. It does seem strange to me that you have spent the time that you have studying the scientific nature of the universe and finding the proof you sought for the existence of God, without seeking also to prove the truth of his nature. Although I guess that you have to your satisfaction (which might be the only right way about it) and I respect your desire for privacy in it. This i guess is faith, and I suspect you've either got it or you ain't.

I would imagine DOL will have a fair amount of cash available to him in the summer, from his pay offs at Leeds and Villa and through sales of his book and other media work. More than enough for a fortnight with the family somewhere nice I would have thought. Throw in some spending money, some new clothes and maybe one or two new things around the house, probably about £15,000 I'd say.

I'd leave it, I honestly would. Yet strangely, if someone came up to me with a million pounds in cash and said kill that stranger and it's yours, I'd find a way to do it. Is it easier to live with the things you've done than the things you've caused?

I'm not great at this I'm afraid Terry, I don't often get the opportunity to ask questions of people in your situation. I guess it's this, you can argue that the existence of language proves the existence of God, that dna is too good to be accidental and these arguments are logical and thought out, they make some sort of sense to me. But I don't get how we go from proving the existence of an intelligence that designs things to deciding that this presence is fundamentally focused on a morality, that it is against sin, or even that it has a concept of sin. It seems we have found something more powerful than us, and related it to the other thing that once made us feel this way, our own fathers, and as such we have given God our version of the morality of a perfect father figure. I'm sure you won't see it that way, so I'm wondering how you are sure of your definition of what God is and wants.

Terry, I'm interested that on a number of occasions you have referred to evidence of the existence of God, but I'm not sure as to how you make the jump from that proof of existence of a creator or higher power to the clearly defined God figure in whom you have faith. I've always thought of religion as mans attempt to throw humanity and the values of human morality onto those things which it cannot explain through science. You're arguments for proving the existence of God are well presented here, but I'm not sure as to your arguments on how his definition or role are structured. I'm not saying that any man should attempt to define God, just wondering how you go from the potential existence of a creator to drawing a fuller picture of that creator as a nurturer, teacher and moral guide. Aren't these human values imprinted from and by man onto the unknown and unknowable?

Terry, These questions are impertinent and personal. If you don't want to answer them, please feel free not to. Do you believe your wife still loves you? Do you think she might one day be welcomed back into the fold? When she left and you were forced into a choice between the path you have chosen and all that was left behind, was there doubt? If you were to leave strong city would your wife welcome your return?

Wayne Bent had two parents, his body is now the vessel for the spirit of the Christ; Michael. (I think) Keep up Doc. :winkold:

Thanks Terry, good answer. Do you believe in the literal interpretation of heaven and hell, and therefore the bad guy?

"You have gone far enough, and now I will show you who it is that rules in the heavens. You have built your Babylonish tower, but I will make the top to break off and its foundations to sink into the mire." Michael Travesser Sept 10th 2001 :shock:

:? You lost me there Scott. Sorry, as opposed to I haven't quite lost all faith in humanity yet.

I'm a non believer I'm afraid Terry. There are good men without God though (or you might prefer good men who have not acknowledged God's presence) for all of the atrocities you rightly point out, there are also good men in opposition, are these people incapable of this goodness independently, can their "goodness" of thought and deed find them a place in the kingdom of heaven even if they have never found a route to God? Surely it's truer to say that these wars show how much goodness some men have inside of themselves?

“Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.” Revelation 19:7 It seems the scriptures suggest that God will come for His bride. I don't see any other parameters. Sorry, that's gone right over my head. I think I must have phrased my question wrongly. I think I'm kind of asking if you believe heaven to be an elitist (wrong word) club, only for those with absolute devotion to the word of God as presented through Michael, or open to all those who have inherent "goodness" in them.

That's interesting, Do you believe the kingdom of heaven to be open to all, or only those that chose to devote themselves to the Christ? There is a theory that Jesus's parables were deliberately obtuse in order to seperate those that would follow from those that could not. I'm interested in your lack of evangelical zest!

Terry, your comments on organised western religion seem fair and honest to me and as I say, I suspect mainstream religion to be more about appearance, social standing and guilt than faith. How do you feel about religions from other parts of the world, to me the seem less an affectation? How does Michael fit into an Islamic worldview?