After playing both demos I couldn't choose between the two games, so I got both. Having spent some time on it I'm afraid the pes bubble has burst. the game is flawed, it's broke, there are no fouls, atleast 10 goals most games and the keepers are shite... dont even get me started on the online aspect, matchmaking is flawed, the big teams are ridiculously strong... And then Konami pull the update stunt, they're so small time it's unreal... Ea sports make them look like amateurs when it comes to support