Even at this point in the season 8th or 8th is achievable if the manager had even an ounce of (real) winning mentality. Set out to win, and sure we might lose more, but we'd win a heck of a lot more with the players at our disposal. With players like Ireland, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Bent, Petrov, Gardner playing with the tenacity they showed during the 2nd half of the QPR game, we would have completely smashed Wigan and picked up 3 points to boot. But instead, we have no real intent to attack or win the game...and we end up getting a point (any other team than Wigan and we would have lost as even they were posing us some questions). This has become all too typical of our season, and McLeish is surely to blame for that?