Christian Benteke

[Big_John_10]

1 goal every 2.17 games, his stats speak for them self, whether you can see it or not is different all together, if he kept up his goal scoring rate he would have gotten between 17-19 goals this season.

Or lets put it another way, if it wasn't for Benteke last season, he would be on course to get our highest league goal tally for a single player since Yorke in 96/97.

Sorry but this is rubbish with made up stats.

Kozak has made 14 appearances and scored 4 goals giving him rate of a goal every 3.5 games.

Sorry, your stats are rubbish.

Kozak has played 791 minutes and scored 4 goals. That's 1 goal ever 198 minutes.

That's about 1 goal every 2.17 games like the previous poster said.

You are wrong and Kozak remains unappreciated. Big loss for the team this season. He would have got into double figures.

The fact you disagree with me makes me happy.

[Big_John_10]

Sorry, your stats are rubbish.

Kozak has played 791 minutes and scored 4 goals. That's 1 goal ever 198 minutes.

That's about 1 goal every 2.17 games like the previous poster said.

You are wrong and Kozak remains unappreciated. Big loss for the team this season. He would have got into double figures.

Big John doesn’t like Kozak, because he’s not fashionable or ‘cool’ its as simple and childish as that. He scored some important goals, thats a correct stat.

Haha yes I'm really into my fashionable and cool players.

[MessiWillSignForVilla]

 

John, they're not made up stats at all. 4 in 14 is a very simplistic way of looking at it, it doesn't take into account starts and being subbed off. I used goals per minutes played, which gives 1 every 196 minutes, or 1 every 2.17 games.

And if he could only play 35 games, it still gives 16 goals and the point still stands.

 

Dude, are you being naive on purpose? Snatching a few tap-ins in a matter of a few games doesn't exactly paint the whole picture. Suarez scored 18 goals in his first 12 games this season, that means he would have scored 57 goals or so in 38 games. In his last 10 games he has only four goals, so you get my point. Lots of strikers like Kozak score 3-4 goals in a matter of a few games, both because of luck and confidence, but very, very few sustain that over 38 games. From December 15th to January 11th, Danny Welbeck scored six goals in six games in the league. It happens, but you can bet your ass he won't be keeping that ratio if he suddenly plays 90 minutes the next six games.

 

Kozak is limited and for that reason he would have gone long periods without a single goal, just like most of the players fitting into that bracket. Just look at Gabby Agbonlahor, he can look red hot for ten games and then vanish for 15 games. What is it, three goals this season for him? Kozak's four goals came against Norwich, Cardiff, Soton and Stoke, it's hardly something to strengthen the argument.

 

 

Yup, I'm naive for judging a striker on the amount of goals he's scored in relation to the amount of football he's actually played. And so what if he's got a few "tap-ins", all goals are goals, it doesn't matter how they're scored.

 

I'll repeat this again;

 

IF Kozak kept up his goal scoring rate, he would have gotten roughly 16-17 goals this season.

 

That's a pretty important qualifier that is conveniently not picked up on. And I've never stated I think he'd get that many also.

 

Personally, I think if he'd stayed fit he would have gotten between 10-13 goals, not bad for a back-up strikers first season in the Premier League.

[Big_John_10]

John, they're not made up stats at all. 4 in 14 is a very simplistic way of looking at it, it doesn't take into account starts and being subbed off. I used goals per minutes played, which gives 1 every 196 minutes, or 1 every 2.17 games.

And if he could only play 35 games, it still gives 16 goals and the point still stands.

Dude, are you being naive on purpose? Snatching a few tap-ins in a matter of a few games doesn't exactly paint the whole picture. Suarez scored 18 goals in his first 12 games this season, that means he would have scored 57 goals or so in 38 games. In his last 10 games he has only four goals, so you get my point. Lots of strikers like Kozak score 3-4 goals in a matter of a few games, both because of luck and confidence, but very, very few sustain that over 38 games. From December 15th to January 11th, Danny Welbeck scored six goals in six games in the league. It happens, but you can bet your ass he won't be keeping that ratio if he suddenly plays 90 minutes the next six games.

Kozak is limited and for that reason he would have gone long periods without a single goal, just like most of the players fitting into that bracket. Just look at Gabby Agbonlahor, he can look red hot for ten games and then vanish for 15 games. What is it, three goals this season for him? Kozak's four goals came against Norwich, Cardiff, Soton and Stoke, it's hardly something to strengthen the argument.

Yup, I'm naive for judging a striker on the amount of goals he's scored in relation to the amount of football he's actually played. And so what if he's got a few "tap-ins", all goals are goals, it doesn't matter how they're scored.

I'll repeat this again;

IF Kozak kept up his goal scoring rate, he would have gotten roughly 16-17 goals this season.

That's a pretty important qualifier that is conveniently not picked up on. And I've never stated I think he'd get that many also.

Personally, I think if he'd stayed fit he would have gotten between 10-13 goals, not bad for a back-up strikers first season in the Premier League.

I think that's an ambitious figure. He can't rely on getting those tap ins on a regular basis, he's not good enough to create his own chances and we're an awful football team.

[StefanAVFC]

Comparing him to benteke is pointless. Yes the service isn't great but the service doesn't make him slow or weak in the air. IMO he hasn't looked very good so far and I think for the money he cost is it would have been better to spend it on other areas.

 

Just like the 'service' doesn't make Benteke lose balls in the air, look lazy and lethargic?

[Big_John_10]

Comparing him to benteke is pointless. Yes the service isn't great but the service doesn't make him slow or weak in the air. IMO he hasn't looked very good so far and I think for the money he cost is it would have been better to spend it on other areas.

Just like the 'service' doesn't make Benteke lose balls in the air, look lazy and lethargic?

I'd imagine his aerial wins stats is pretty good so I don't agree he loses many balls in the air. I don't agree with the other two but I think our style of football probably makes him feel pretty fed up and demotivated.

[StefanAVFC]

 

 

Comparing him to benteke is pointless. Yes the service isn't great but the service doesn't make him slow or weak in the air. IMO he hasn't looked very good so far and I think for the money he cost is it would have been better to spend it on other areas.

Just like the 'service' doesn't make Benteke lose balls in the air, look lazy and lethargic?

I'd imagine his aerial wins stats is pretty good so I don't agree he loses many balls in the air. I don't agree with the other two but I think our style of football probably makes him feel pretty fed up and demotivated.

 

 

Let me get this straight then.

 

If Benteke doesn't play well, it's because he's fed up of the team and service.

If Kozak doesn't play well, it's because he's limited even though he's new to the country and the league?

[Big_John_10]

Comparing him to benteke is pointless. Yes the service isn't great but the service doesn't make him slow or weak in the air. IMO he hasn't looked very good so far and I think for the money he cost is it would have been better to spend it on other areas.

Just like the 'service' doesn't make Benteke lose balls in the air, look lazy and lethargic?

I'd imagine his aerial wins stats is pretty good so I don't agree he loses many balls in the air. I don't agree with the other two but I think our style of football probably makes him feel pretty fed up and demotivated.

Let me get this straight then.

If Benteke doesn't play well, it's because he's fed up of the team and service.

If Kozak doesn't play well, it's because he's limited even though he's new to the country and the league?

Well i've clearly said his injury and lack of confidence has effected his performances and I think the way we play football has knocked his confidence and he's probably fed up of it.

I'm sure the service and style doesn't help kozak but the difference is I know benteke can be great at this level. Kozak looks too slow and I've yet to be impressed by him in more than 1 game.

Surely its not that hard to understand is it. I rate benteke highly and don't rate kozak. The service and style of play doesn't help either of them.

[StefanAVFC]

But you've made your opinion on 14 total games and 9 starts where he scored 4 goals.

 

That is madness. 

[Big_John_10]

But you've made your opinion on 14 total games and 9 starts where he scored 4 goals.

That is madness.

OK thanks.

I'll stand by my opinion. Would you be happy having kozak as our main striker next season?

[StefanAVFC]

That isn't the question though. I like Kozak as an option in our strike force. He offers something different. It isn't bloody black and bloody white.

[Big_John_10]

That isn't the question though. I like Kozak as an option in our strike force. He offers something different. It isn't bloody black and bloody white.

And I don't think he offers much and wasn't needed when we had other needs. We disagree again, oh well.

[Con]

 

 

Comparing him to benteke is pointless. Yes the service isn't great but the service doesn't make him slow or weak in the air. IMO he hasn't looked very good so far and I think for the money he cost is it would have been better to spend it on other areas.

Just like the 'service' doesn't make Benteke lose balls in the air, look lazy and lethargic?

I'd imagine his aerial wins stats is pretty good so I don't agree he loses many balls in the air. I don't agree with the other two but I think our style of football probably makes him feel pretty fed up and demotivated.

 

 

 

Instead of imagining how about looking up the stat?

 

Won 195 Lost 339, aerial success 58%.

 

Kozak 33%, Baker is on 49%, Clark is on 58%, Vlaar is on 61%

 

(Our defenders are not very competitive).

 

Players at other teams who have large sample size include: Peter Crouch is 67%, Mile Jedinack 72%, Mike Williamson 66%, Gareth McAuley 68%, Curtis Davies 65%, Oliver Giroud 53%, James Tomkins 74%, Ryan Shawcross 72%, Nemanja Vidic 66%, Gary Cahill 73%, Anichebe 60%.

[Big_John_10]

So like i thought he's pretty good in the air then. And kozaks is abysmal considering he's a target man.

Thanks for them con.

[KJT123]

That isn't the question though. I like Kozak as an option in our strike force. He offers something different. It isn't bloody black and bloody white.

And I don't think he offers much and wasn't needed when we had other needs. We disagree again, oh well.

With respect, you seem to disagree with nearly every person on this forum.

[Big_John_10]

That isn't the question though. I like Kozak as an option in our strike force. He offers something different. It isn't bloody black and bloody white.

And I don't think he offers much and wasn't needed when we had other needs. We disagree again, oh well.

With respect, you seem to disagree with nearly every person on this forum.

And been mainly spot on for the last 4 years.

[KjParton]

^ Hah. i'm sorry I just have to laugh at that one. 

Edited February 27, 2014 by KjParton

[Big_John_10]

^ Hah. i'm sorry I just have to laugh at that one.

Feel free to tell me all the things i've been wrong about?

My point is i may disagree with lots of different posters but it's not like i'm disagreeing just for the sake of it.

[KjParton]

I'm just laughing because you said it about yourself! Well of course you're going to say that aren't you

[Big_John_10]

I'm just laughing because you said it about yourself! Well of course you're going to say that aren't you

I think i'm entitled to defend myself from that sort of post.