Big_John_10 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 and how much more from merchandising? How much more from ticket sales as my definition of match day revenue is everything except the ticket Its all classed as gate and match day income and spurs got £1 million more than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I think Lerner will attach some conditions to the sale, like no name change, no colors change, etc. "Stewardship", and all... Yeah I think he'd do that too. I don't dislike the bloke at all, I think as a chairman he genuinely has had the clubs best interests at heart. He's just made some awful mistakes and had to learn some things the hard way. I imagine he himself now knows he's not up to the job of owning a Premier League team. Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyjsg Posted February 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2014 and how much more from merchandising? How much more from ticket sales as my definition of match day revenue is everything except the ticket Its all classed as gate and match day income and spurs got £1 million more than us. Yet Spurs make 50 million a year more in revenue..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) and how much more from merchandising? How much more from ticket sales as my definition of match day revenue is everything except the ticketIts all classed as gate and match day income and spurs got £1 million more than us. Where did you get them figures? Not saying you are wrong but it is hard to believe considering their prices and the fact attendances are broadly level. Edited February 2, 2014 by lp_villa830 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 and how much more from merchandising? How much more from ticket sales as my definition of match day revenue is everything except the ticketIts all classed as gate and match day income and spurs got £1 million more than us. Yet Spurs make 50 million a year more in revenue..... That's great but you were blaming the fans and what you called pathetic attendences. and how much more from merchandising? How much more from ticket sales as my definition of match day revenue is everything except the ticketIts all classed as gate and match day income and spurs got £1 million more than us.Where did you get them figures? Not saying you are wrong but it is hard to believe considering their prices and the fact attendances are broadly level. http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/apr/18/premier-league-club-accounts-debt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyjsg Posted February 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2014 and how much more from merchandising? How much more from ticket sales as my definition of match day revenue is everything except the ticketIts all classed as gate and match day income and spurs got £1 million more than us.Yet Spurs make 50 million a year more in revenue..... That's great but you were blaming the fans and what you called pathetic attendences. I still stand by that and as I said its to do with the product that say a sponsor would want to invest In. Crap attendances with booing fans does not look like an appealing investment. Also Like the guy above says I think a million sounds too low and I still think we would have more of a case if we had bigger attendances at more expensive prices. We don't have the competition of so many clubs as London so we should be selling out easily as the biggest club in the midlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Those charts suggest Spurs make less revenue than we do and also have a higher wage bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Those charts suggest Spurs make less revenue than we do and also have a higher wage bill. That chart shows spurs making around £60 million more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyjsg Posted February 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/apr/18/premier-league-club-accounts-debt Misprint I think - says 41m for match day revenue on Tottenham accounts. Edited February 2, 2014 by andyjsg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) and how much more from merchandising? How much more from ticket sales as my definition of match day revenue is everything except the ticketIts all classed as gate and match day income and spurs got £1 million more than us.Yet Spurs make 50 million a year more in revenue.....That's great but you were blaming the fans and what you called pathetic attendences. and how much more from merchandising? How much more from ticket sales as my definition of match day revenue is everything except the ticketIts all classed as gate and match day income and spurs got £1 million more than us.Where did you get them figures? Not saying you are wrong but it is hard to believe considering their prices and the fact attendances are broadly level. http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/apr/18/premier-league-club-accounts-debt I looked up the accounts after reading that as their is a massive discrepancy in the 3 incomes listed and overall turnover, much larger than any other clubs. Anyway according the spurs 2012 accounts listed here.http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/the-club/investor-relations/annual-reports/ Revenue from matchday was about £28m and then a furthur £35m in sponsorship and corporate hospitality. Edited February 2, 2014 by lp_villa830 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Spurs are just a bigger club than us at the end of the day. We won't be able to compete with them under Financial 'Fair' Play. However in the same way clubs like Stoke and Hull should not be able to compete with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Pat murphy Paul Faulkner CEO of @AVFCOfficial has just told me he's spoken to Randy Lerner,who's rubbished stories that he's looking to sell up. Maybe he's denied LOOKING to sell up as he has stopped looking and has found a buyer. I mean once I put my house up for sale I'm no longer looking to sell but am selling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I think Lerner will attach some conditions to the sale, like no name change, no colors change, etc. "Stewardship", and all... Yeah I think he'd do that too. I don't dislike the bloke at all, I think as a chairman he genuinely has had the clubs best interests at heart. He's just made some awful mistakes and had to learn some things the hard way. I imagine he himself now knows he's not up to the job of owning a Premier League team. I agree with PieFacE. I think he bought the club with the best intentions but the footballing landscape has changed and he's realised he's out of his depth. I don't dislike Lerner - overall he's done more for this club in his short term as owner than HDE did (the appointment of AM apart). We tried to gatecrash the top 4 for a couple of seasons but as other posters have said it's a sad reflection that a club of our size has flirted with relegation for 3 seasons in a row and may possibly do so again this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Pat murphy Paul Faulkner CEO of @AVFCOfficial has just told me he's spoken to Randy Lerner,who's rubbished stories that he's looking to sell up. Maybe he's denied LOOKING to sell up as he has stopped looking and has found a buyer. I mean once I put my house up for sale I'm no longer looking to sell but am selling. loving the optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Spurs are just a bigger club than us at the end of the day. We won't be able to compete with them under Financial 'Fair' Play. However in the same way clubs like Stoke and Hull should not be able to compete with us. What do you mean "should not"? As much as I'd like us to be miles ahead of them, we don't have a God-given right to always be above them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Spurs are just a bigger club than us at the end of the day. We won't be able to compete with them under Financial 'Fair' Play. However in the same way clubs like Stoke and Hull should not be able to compete with us. What do you mean "should not"? As much as I'd like us to be miles ahead of them, we don't have a God-given right to always be above them. To be fair, he is talking about a financial platform, not league position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyjsg Posted February 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2014 I assume financially and I guess that's correct and if we had more people turning up and spending money we would be able to compete with the evertons of this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Spurs are just a bigger club than us at the end of the day. We won't be able to compete with them under Financial 'Fair' Play. However in the same way clubs like Stoke and Hull should not be able to compete with us. What do you mean "should not"? As much as I'd like us to be miles ahead of them, we don't have a God-given right to always be above them. To be fair, he is talking about a financial platform, not league position. My point still stands. I don't see why we "should" always be spending more than them. While I agree that we should have the capacity to spend more it's not always necessary to do so. If for example we spent £30m this summer I'd be very happy with that, regardless of whether Stoke and Hull spent £5m or £50m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I assume financially and I guess that's correct and if we had more people turning up and spending money we would be able to compete with the evertons of this world. You need to address your product before you have "people turning up". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyjsg Posted February 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2014 I assume financially and I guess that's correct and if we had more people turning up and spending money we would be able to compete with the evertons of this world. You need to address your product before you have "people turning up". Consider it early adopting for investment into a future product :-) Otherwise it's Catch 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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