tonyh29 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I don't know. Two months ago?!?! C'mon I struggle to remember yesterday in anything other than a haze. Meh , I'm sure I used the wrong there / their back in 2009 and have never been allowed to forget it ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Thing is Mike, typically Left wing thinking is more in line with what traditional Christian teaching - care, share etc . Whereas Right wing thinking is pretty much built on selfishness I really did have some catching up to do in this thread ... I know you were trolling but with respect , that is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on the Internet and I once visited the Barry Bannan thread Tony I appreciate you are being abusive again and trying to cause problems, but instead of that approach why not say why you don't agree with the statement rather than go down the abusing the poster route again? I await with interest your civil reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I'm an atheist and a socialist, so I instinctively tend to assume left wing = atheist = good, and right wing = godbotherer = bad. Which of course I realise is altogether too simplistic. I can agree with someone's views on subject A, without having to automatically agree with their views on subject B. Thing is Mike, typically Left wing thinking is more in line with what traditional Christian teaching - care, share etc . Whereas Right wing thinking is pretty much built on selfishness I think you are pretty close but I actually believe that the Right wing are more Old Testament and the Left wing are more New Testament. The Right are more interested in the fire and brimstone of the OT, where in their preferred system of morality the unrighteous feckless are seen to be punished by poverty and all that means (sins of the fathers etc.) where obviously big capital is the God who created everything (monotheistic = no alternative system allowed), can do anything he likes, who sends his plagues of recessions & depressions and is too big to fail. The Left's more concerned with forgiving the sins of fecklessness and following Christ's instructions about the duty to keep on forgiving (seven times seven, didn't he say?) and keep paying up for people even when they don't like you because you are a dirty rotten Samaritan (Bulgarian or Romanian), or consider you a running-dog of capitalism. Both Left and Right claim to follow the golden rule but both have different sets of exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I'm an atheist and a socialist, so I instinctively tend to assume left wing = atheist = good, and right wing = godbotherer = bad. Which of course I realise is altogether too simplistic. I can agree with someone's views on subject A, without having to automatically agree with their views on subject B. Thing is Mike, typically Left wing thinking is more in line with what traditional Christian teaching - care, share etc . Whereas Right wing thinking is pretty much built on selfishness I think you are pretty close but I actually believe that the Right wing are more Old Testament and the Left wing are more New Testament. The Right are more interested in the fire and brimstone of the OT, where in their preferred system of morality the unrighteous feckless are seen to be punished by poverty and all that means (sins of the fathers etc.) where obviously big capital is the God who created everything (monotheistic = no alternative system allowed), can do anything he likes, who sends his plagues of recessions & depressions and is too big to fail. The Left's more concerned with forgiving the sins of fecklessness and following Christ's instructions about the duty to keep on forgiving (seven times seven, didn't he say?) and keep paying up for people even when they don't like you because you are a dirty rotten Samaritan (Bulgarian or Romanian), or consider you a running-dog of capitalism. Both Left and Right claim to follow the golden rule but both have different sets of exceptions. Good analysis...although it's worth noting that the whole "hellfire" doctrine - the idea that unbelievers should and will be tortured in hell for eternity - appears only in the New Testament! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I'm an atheist and a socialist, so I instinctively tend to assume left wing = atheist = good, and right wing = godbotherer = bad. Which of course I realise is altogether too simplistic. I can agree with someone's views on subject A, without having to automatically agree with their views on subject B. Thing is Mike, typically Left wing thinking is more in line with what traditional Christian teaching - care, share etc . Whereas Right wing thinking is pretty much built on selfishness I think you are pretty close but I actually believe that the Right wing are more Old Testament and the Left wing are more New Testament. The Right are more interested in the fire and brimstone of the OT, where in their preferred system of morality the unrighteous feckless are seen to be punished by poverty and all that means (sins of the fathers etc.) where obviously big capital is the God who created everything (monotheistic = no alternative system allowed), can do anything he likes, who sends his plagues of recessions & depressions and is too big to fail. The Left's more concerned with forgiving the sins of fecklessness and following Christ's instructions about the duty to keep on forgiving (seven times seven, didn't he say?) and keep paying up for people even when they don't like you because you are a dirty rotten Samaritan (Bulgarian or Romanian), or consider you a running-dog of capitalism. Both Left and Right claim to follow the golden rule but both have different sets of exceptions. I like that :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) I'm an atheist and a socialist, so I instinctively tend to assume left wing = atheist = good, and right wing = godbotherer = bad. Which of course I realise is altogether too simplistic. I can agree with someone's views on subject A, without having to automatically agree with their views on subject B. Thing is Mike, typically Left wing thinking is more in line with what traditional Christian teaching - care, share etc . Whereas Right wing thinking is pretty much built on selfishness I think you are pretty close but I actually believe that the Right wing are more Old Testament and the Left wing are more New Testament. The Right are more interested in the fire and brimstone of the OT, where in their preferred system of morality the unrighteous feckless are seen to be punished by poverty and all that means (sins of the fathers etc.) where obviously big capital is the God who created everything (monotheistic = no alternative system allowed), can do anything he likes, who sends his plagues of recessions & depressions and is too big to fail. The Left's more concerned with forgiving the sins of fecklessness and following Christ's instructions about the duty to keep on forgiving (seven times seven, didn't he say?) and keep paying up for people even when they don't like you because you are a dirty rotten Samaritan (Bulgarian or Romanian), or consider you a running-dog of capitalism. Both Left and Right claim to follow the golden rule but both have different sets of exceptions. Good analysis...although it's worth noting that the whole "hellfire" doctrine - the idea that unbelievers should and will be tortured in hell for eternity - appears only in the New Testament! I was thinking of Sodom and Gomorrah (or Detroit) but I wouldn't disagree with the Left's obsession with eternal damnation. It seems undeniable that the whole climate change thing follows the biblical model of the sinful being banished from the garden (Earth). Edited November 28, 2013 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Nope, I didn't say anything about Right or Left - I was talking about the New Testament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted November 28, 2013 Administrator Share Posted November 28, 2013 The Right are more interested in the fire and brimstone of the OT, where in their preferred system of morality the unrighteous feckless are seen to be punished by poverty and all that means (sins of the fathers etc.) where obviously big capital is the God who created everything (monotheistic = no alternative system allowed), can do anything he likes, who sends his plagues of recessions & depressions and is too big to fail. Christianity isn't monotheistic. The Christian "Lord" is a compound of three distinct beings, a triumvirate godhead if you like. Your point stands though as they all share a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 The Right are more interested in the fire and brimstone of the OT, where in their preferred system of morality the unrighteous feckless are seen to be punished by poverty and all that means (sins of the fathers etc.) where obviously big capital is the God who created everything (monotheistic = no alternative system allowed), can do anything he likes, who sends his plagues of recessions & depressions and is too big to fail. Christianity isn't monotheistic. The Christian "Lord" is a compound of three distinct beings, a triumvirate godhead if you like. Your point stands though as they all share a purpose. But, but --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqYt8dh0SMo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 This is probably the most fun satire page i've seen on FB https://www.facebook.com/atheismgetreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 This is probably the most fun satire page i've seen on FB https://www.facebook.com/atheismgetreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 3, 2013 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2013 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 You follow the Dawkins crew on Friendface as well eh MJM? That one was definitely a "Share" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Mormons are a special type of stupid. I have no time for them at all. Fantastic business model, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 27, 2013 Administrator Share Posted December 27, 2013 For those that want to see a end to tax breaks for believing in bad fantasy stories, who want to see the end of "religious slaughter", who want to see the end of mutilation of children because of "tradition" and for those that would rather that our schools aren't a sectarian battleground. It's time to renew your NSS membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Meanwhile, in my lovely neck of the woods A play that was due to open in the Theatre at the Mill in Newtownabbey, County Antrim, has been cancelled, following claims it was blasphemous. The Bible: The Complete Word of God (Abridged) was due to open on Wednesday, 29 January, for two nights. Some councillors had called for the show, presented by the Reduced Shakespeare Company, to be stopped. A notice on the theatre's website said the show had been cancelled and apologised for any inconvenience. There was heated discussion at Newtownabbey Council's policy and governance committee on Monday. 'Great regret' It had been due for discussion at the council's monthly meeting next Monday when opponents were to make a final attempt to have the play pulled. However, in a statement on Thursday, Newtownabbey Borough Council said: "The council's artistic board held an away day on Wednesday 22 January 2014, to plan and develop a strategy for the council's future arts programme. "During the day, next week's performance of The Bible: The Complete Word of God (Abridged) was discussed by the board. "Subsequently, the chair of the council's artistic board, Councillor Billy Webb, has written to the council's chief executive, to confirm that with great regret, the board has taken the decision to cancel next week's production. "In taking this decision, the board wishes to confirm its commitment to deliver on the agreed council's artistic policy to deliver the highest quality performing arts programme, offering a diverse, socially relevant and enriching experience to as many citizens as possible." Sinn Féin councillor Gerry O'Reilly described the decision to cancel the play as the "worse type of censorship". "This is clearly an example of certain councillors forcing their religious views onto everyone else in the constituency," he said. "What the councillors are basically saying is that they can dictate what type of dramas people can view." BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 23, 2014 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2014 The supposed "offence" of blasphemy should be banned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The supposed "offence" of blasphemy should be banned. Agreed. I can't abide a blasphemer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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