Falkland Islands

[VILLAFC2000]

The UN supports the right of self determination of the people of any country. Find us one Falkland Islander who wants to ruled from Argentina. They all want the status quo to remain. End of argument.

Your correct it says something along those lines but perhaps you could also tell me what the UN says in 6th paragraph - UN resolution 1514...?

YAWN.

[bickster]

The UN supports the right of self determination of the people of any country. Find us one Falkland Islander who wants to ruled from Argentina. They all want the status quo to remain. End of argument.

Your correct it says something along those lines but perhaps you could also tell me what the UN says in 6th paragraph - UN resolution 1514...?

YAWN.

Without knowing, because you haven't said, WHAT THE HELL , you're on about I'm left to discover for myself and guess..

Is it…

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

or is it…

Recognizing that the peoples of the world ardently desire the end of colonialism in all its manifestations,

Neither of which would support any argument Argentina had

But then again, that is only a resolution of the UN and not its charter, you know its founding principals.

[thetrees]

Pretty much the majority of Latin America believe the Falklands should not belong to the UK. Brazil is going to be hudge. Who can predict the future I would sooner have Brazil on our side though.

Noting the 'event' that Mrs Kircher held in Ushuaia yesterday, she apparently invited all the South American leaders.

None came, which I think is called distancing yourself from something.

Latin America will make noises of sympathy for Argentina, but they really don't give a shit about the Falklands dispute.

[Jon]

Pretty much the majority of Latin America believe the Falklands should not belong to the UK. Brazil is going to be hudge. Who can predict the future I would sooner have Brazil on our side though.

Noting the 'event' that Mrs Kircher held in Ushuaia yesterday, she apparently invited all the South American leaders.

None came, which I think is called distancing yourself from something.

Latin America will make noises of sympathy for Argentina, but they really don't give a shit about the Falklands dispute.

I think Mr Trees has it. Some expert geezer on Radio 4 saying pretty much exactly this yesterday morning.

[Mantis]

I am sure its in out interests to get on with Latin America, but if they don't want to get on with us, as much as other competitive economic countries - then there is a problem. Unless you can predict the future.

This seems to be your rationale for giving away the Falklands. However, as already been explained, Latin America doesn't actually care about this issue that much at all, therefore we're still going to be able to "get on" with Latin America whether we keep the islands or not, therefore your point is completely invalid.

[Risso]

I mearly stated that if they love Britain so much and want to be Brttish then they should have every right to stay in this country - which is quite different from ethnic cleanising...!

You don't have to love [Great] Britain to be British, or even to have been there. People from the Isle of Man are British, but the IOM has never been part of the UK.

[VILLAFC2000]

Pretty much the majority of Latin America believe the Falklands should not belong to the UK. Brazil is going to be hudge. Who can predict the future I would sooner have Brazil on our side though.

Noting the 'event' that Mrs Kircher held in Ushuaia yesterday, she apparently invited all the South American leaders.

None came, which I think is called distancing yourself from something.

Latin America will make noises of sympathy for Argentina, but they really don't give a shit about the Falklands dispute.

LOL - Brazil and Argentina have grown closer and closer as a result of the Falklands - In particular the trade links which are very strong together even today. Your seem to beforgetting the natural resources the Falklands have.

Do you think these natural Resources could bennifit Brazil in any way if Argentina reclaimed the Islands - hmmmmmmmmm...?

We have recently all witnessed the extreme lengths countries will go to for a wee bit of Oil - Some would argue including this country. To rule this out would be naive. Unless of course you argue the point that its OK for ONE country to invade but not the other.

I would not judge the basis of your argument on one meeting I would judge the whole picture. Weather you like it or not there are genuine arguments for both sides.

[VILLAFC2000]

I am sure its in out interests to get on with Latin America, but if they don't want to get on with us, as much as other competitive economic countries - then there is a problem. Unless you can predict the future.

This seems to be your rationale for giving away the Falklands. However, as already been explained, Latin America doesn't actually care about this issue that much at all, therefore we're still going to be able to "get on" with Latin America whether we keep the islands or not, therefore your point is completely invalid.

I am not sure you can be the one to judge the future of what Latin America wants or does not want - this is a very complex issue which does not just come down to a simpleton viewpoint of yes or no. The fact of the matter is no one really knows. Unless you have personally spoken to a number of Latin American leaders its difficult to know - its not as straight forward as you make out - no where near.

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

However what we do know is that there is Plenty of Natural resources in and around the Falklands. If History has tought us anything in the past its that countries will go to extreme measures to get a good deal from it.

Brazil could bennifit very much if Argentina were to regain the Islands - Although if you were Brazil you would not scream this from the rooftops for obvious reasons - its called politics.

[PauloBarnesi]

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

I don’t know where you are getting this information from. I would guess that most democratic countries would say that the people of the Falkland Islands should vote on what they want and be free to choose their own destiny.

Please feel free to show me the thoughts and opinions of the people and leaders of the free world whether it be the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, Italy, Spain, etc, etc. Some I am sure will have sympathy for the position of Argentina. Most I expect will want the people of the islands to have a say.

If we could turn back the clock I am sure things would be different, but we can’t. We simply can’t just turf these people out, as I wouldn’t expect other “immigrant” populations be thrown out; such as in Northern Ireland, or the Anglo Saxons across Britain, or the Normans across Britain, etc.

[bickster]

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

A) How the **** can you know this?

The Falkland Islands is a country that thinks it should remain British and that is clearly, the single most important country.

If we go by your Logic, Nice in France should be Italian or maybe it should be Greek, they founded it after all. Italy should split itself up as should France (both countries aren't that old comparatively) and gawd knows what we'd do with the Prussians...

[Mantis]

I am sure its in out interests to get on with Latin America, but if they don't want to get on with us, as much as other competitive economic countries - then there is a problem. Unless you can predict the future.

This seems to be your rationale for giving away the Falklands. However, as already been explained, Latin America doesn't actually care about this issue that much at all, therefore we're still going to be able to "get on" with Latin America whether we keep the islands or not, therefore your point is completely invalid.

I am not sure you can be the one to judge the future of what Latin America wants or does not want - this is a very complex issue which does not just come down to a simpleton viewpoint of yes or no. The fact of the matter is no one really knows. Unless you have personally spoken to a number of Latin American leaders its difficult to know - its not as straight forward as you make out - no where near.

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

However what we do know is that there is Plenty of Natural resources in and around the Falklands. If History has tought us anything in the past its that countries will go to extreme measures to get a good deal from it.

Brazil could bennifit very much if Argentina were to regain the Islands - Although if you were Brazil you would not scream this from the rooftops for obvious reasons - its called politics.

I'm not judging anything. However, simple logic dictates that the likes of Brazil are not going to cut off links with us over the Falklands. It wouldn't be in their best interest to do such a thing.

Actually, not many countries support the Argentinian claim. Most countries are neutral and believe that the islanders should have the right to choose their future, which is coincidentally the British position as well.

[Awol]

Weather you like it or not there are genuine arguments for both sides.

Okay, we know the UK argument (and that of the Islanders themselves) is the self determination of all peoples, as per the founding charter of the UN.

Perhaps you can share with us the "genuine arguments" that Argentina has for its claim?

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

There is no point sugar coating this fella, your statement is utter rubbish and based on a position of complete ignorance of the facts. I can't be bothered to list every country that contradicts what you've said but the Lisbon Treaty / EU Constitution recognises and supports the current status of the Falklands - that's 26 countries other than the UK.

[VILLAFC2000]

I am sure its in out interests to get on with Latin America, but if they don't want to get on with us, as much as other competitive economic countries - then there is a problem. Unless you can predict the future.

This seems to be your rationale for giving away the Falklands. However, as already been explained, Latin America doesn't actually care about this issue that much at all, therefore we're still going to be able to "get on" with Latin America whether we keep the islands or not, therefore your point is completely invalid.

I am not sure you can be the one to judge the future of what Latin America wants or does not want - this is a very complex issue which does not just come down to a simpleton viewpoint of yes or no. The fact of the matter is no one really knows. Unless you have personally spoken to a number of Latin American leaders its difficult to know - its not as straight forward as you make out - no where near.

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

However what we do know is that there is Plenty of Natural resources in and around the Falklands. If History has tought us anything in the past its that countries will go to extreme measures to get a good deal from it.

Brazil could bennifit very much if Argentina were to regain the Islands - Although if you were Brazil you would not scream this from the rooftops for obvious reasons - its called politics.

I'm not judging anything. However, simple logic dictates that the likes of Brazil are not going to cut off links with us over the Falklands. It wouldn't be in their best interest to do such a thing.

Actually, not many countries support the Argentinian claim. Most countries are neutral and believe that the islanders should have the right to choose their future, which is coincidentally the British position as well.

There are a lot of countries that remain neutral. A lot of the Latin American countries have been in favour of the the Falkands returning back to Argentina

Neutral thats Exacly the point.

Lol - If Brittain is so correct about the Falkands its suprising that America remain so neutral considering their special relations.

Oh so we are talking and basing views and oppinions on simple logic now are we -hmmmmm superb you cant make that up.

Its a good thing the Islands are close to Britain and not Argentina - oh wait a minute they are not...>!

[VILLAFC2000]

America think there should be negotiations.

[bickster]

Originally posted by VILLAFC2000

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

I don’t know where you are getting this information from. I would guess that most democratic countries would say that the people of the Falkland Islands should vote on what they want and be free to choose their own destiny.

Please feel free to show me the thoughts and opinions of the people and leaders of the free world whether it be the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, Italy, Spain, etc, etc. Some I am sure will have sympathy for the position of Argentina. Most I expect will want the people of the islands to have a say.

If we could turn back the clock I am sure things would be different, but we can’t. We simply can’t just turf these people out, as I wouldn’t expect other “immigrant” populations be thrown out; such as in Northern Ireland, or the Anglo Saxons across Britain, or the Normans across Britain, etc.

lol - The Argentinians would argue about the genuine legitimacy of the people living on the Islands and weather or not they have claims to being wholey indigienous to the Islands. For example How old are the islands, who was living on that Island 500 years ago, 1000 years ago. How did the people get on that Island and so on.

You have argued very strongly that Britain is pretty much 100% correct when it comes to the Falklands. So its very suprising when one of Britains largest allies, America whom we have special relatiobships with, turn around and say we are not backing you....! This makes it all the more impausable especially when the Falkland are loaded with Oil.I wander why.

Its clear where Latin Americas views are

"While a new military conflict is seen as highly unlikely, the dispute could jeopardise Britain's drive for closer economic and trade ties with emerging Latin America powers such as Brazil that it hopes will kickstart the stagnating British economy".

Now I am not saying this will definately happen but then I am not saying it def wont happen. The fact of the matter is it could happen, as Latin America believe symbolically that the Falkands should be Argentinian.

If Latin America are neutral then why did Argentina win support from regional bodies and the latin American trading bloc who banned port visits from Falkland Flagged ships....? But they are still neutral aren't they - naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat (Borat Style).

Remind me Americas view again.

[bickster]

Sex Crime anyone?

[The_Rev]

Originally posted by VILLAFC2000

Remind me Americas view again.

Election year, innit?

[VILLAFC2000]

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

I don’t know where you are getting this information from. I would guess that most democratic countries would say that the people of the Falkland Islands should vote on what they want and be free to choose their own destiny.

"Please feel free to show me the thoughts and opinions of the people and leaders of the free world whether it be the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, Italy, Spain, etc, etc. Some I am sure will have sympathy for the position of Argentina. Most I expect will want the people of the islands to have a say".

"If we could turn back the clock I am sure things would be different, but we can’t. We simply can’t just turf these people out, as I wouldn’t expect other “immigrant” populations be thrown out; such as in Northern Ireland, or the Anglo Saxons across Britain, or the Normans across Britain, etc".

lol - The Argentinians would argue about the genuine legitimacy of the people living on the Islands and weather or not they have claims to being wholey indigienous to the Islands. For example How old are the islands, who was living on that Island 500 years ago, 1000 years ago. How did the people get on that Island and so on.

You have argued very strongly that Britain is pretty much 100% correct when it comes to the Falklands. So its very suprising when one of Britains largest allies, America whom we have special relatiobships with, turn around and say we are not backing you....! This makes it all the more impausable especially when the Falkland are loaded with Oil.I wander why.

Its clear where Latin Americas views are

"While a new military conflict is seen as highly unlikely, the dispute could jeopardise Britain's drive for closer economic and trade ties with emerging Latin America powers such as Brazil that it hopes will kickstart the stagnating British economy".

Now I am not saying this will definately happen but then I am not saying it def wont happen. The fact of the matter is it could happen, as Latin America believe symbolically that the Falkands should be Argentinian.

If Latin America are neutral then why did Argentina win support from regional bodies and the latin American trading bloc who banned port visits from Falkland Flagged ships....? But they are still neutral aren't they - naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat (Borat Style).

Remind me Americas view again.

[VILLAFC2000]

What we do know is that the only country who believes the Islands should remain British are you guessed it the British -who would have thought it.

A) How the **** can you know this?

The Falkland Islands is a country that thinks it should remain British and that is clearly, the single most important country.

If we go by your Logic, Nice in France should be Italian or maybe it should be Greek, they founded it after all. Italy should split itself up as should France (both countries aren't that old comparatively) and gawd knows what we'd do with the Prussians...

A.) David Cameron tried to get America to back the British with the Falklands - they said no. Which makes you think if they dont even back it then pretty much not many other countries are going to.

Now I am pretty sure Coutnries who support Cameron have not come out and backed it as much as latin countries have backed Argentinas claims.

"Latin American and Caribbean nations have backed Argentina's claim of sovereignty to the Falkland Islands in a growing dispute with Britain over plans to drill for oil off the islands in the Atlantic".

"At the Rio Group summit of 32 countries hosted by Mexico, Argentina presented a statement quoting Mexican President Felipe Calderon as saying that "the heads of state represented here reaffirm their support for the legitimate rights of the republic of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute with Great Britain".

B.) David Camerons stance has been let the people of the Flaklands decide whats best.he Argentinians would argue about the genuine legitimacy of the people living on the Islands and weather or not they have claims to being wholey indigienous to the Islands. For example How old are the islands, who was living on that Island 500 years ago, 1000 years ago. How did the people get on that Island and so on.

[Risso]

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