Papillon Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Roberto Martinez is 38 years old though, the same as Ryan Giggs. Judging him only for his Wigan career is incredibly shortsighted, given that he has a lot of promise for the future. Every good manager rises from a decent club like Everton (Moyes) or suddenly gets a top job like Mourinho and Villas-Boas after performing abroad. Managing Wigan is extremely difficult, the team is limited and they could never get anything else than 15th downwards to relegation. That is why his star is not that high yet, how could it be? He started managing in 2007 with Swansea and laid the foundation for where they are now in my opinion, using a philosophy Rodgers has used ever since. McLeish relegated a Birmingham-team with a lot better foundation compared to what is left at Wigan, with a lot of leaders and grafters in it. The perfect "McLeish"-material if you ask me, but still they are now lost in the Championship and so would he be hadn't our great club for some reason given him the opportunity of a lifetime. - McLeish is old and set. His style is rubbish and his end-results are not good enough. The effects of his arrival are detrimental to our club at every level. - Martinez is young, hungry and seems like a very good guy as well. Knows English better than for example Wenger and Redknapp (LOL) and seems to have a lot of respect from his players. Judging him isolated with Wigan's position seems unwise if you ask me. Also, he wants to attack and he could possibly attract some foreign players unlike McLeish who probably only goes to Spain for chartered holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BkkVilla Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Wham fans are moaning at Big Sam, tell them to blow bubbles up their ass shot Mcloser and help us achieve our mid-table dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 He's better than McLeish though. Not hard. This guys better as well: it's close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 He's better than McLeish though. Not hard. This guys better as well: it's close Actually, I would say that O'leary is a far better manager. An absolute cock knocker of the highest order mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 At least with DOL you have a honeymoon period, something we haven’t had with either Houllier & McLeish. Its been gash from day one, and bar the odd result has continued in that vein... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I dislike DOL; let me make that clear. But how did the club come 6th with a team with a 34 year old Dublin, Jlloyd samuel, gavin mccan, sorenson, allback and a leonhardson. :shock: :shock: That is quite an achievement, far inferior to the team MON had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philgetaway Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 http://www.teamtalk.com/columns/7633213/Vulnerable-Villa-paying-an-Eck-of-a-lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It depresses me that people keep throwing the name Martinez about I mean WTF, is this how far we've fallen Who are you supporting this week CI? Why do you ask the same question every 5 pages, are you a goldfish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Martinez was my preference when the long list of shoddy names were drawn up last summer. I can only envisage that should Mcliesh be removed, the list would be even shoddier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 http://www.teamtalk.com/columns/7633213/Vulnerable-Villa-paying-an-Eck-of-a-lot Thats about the long and short of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It is a very good sum up - His comments after Arsenal certainly turned me and it looks like the media are starting to catch wind too. Discusting Post match analysis - one that I will never ever forgive him for. Lose 1000000000 games on the bounce and as long as you gave it your best shot - I wont complain. To seemingly not attempt to have ago (which I have been wary of a couple of times with Mcliesh but give him the benefit of the doubt), and then admit it, is unforgivable. Mcliesh Out :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It is a very good sum up - His comments after Arsenal certainly turned me and it looks like the media are starting to catch wind too. Discusting Post match analysis - one that I will never ever forgive him for. Lose 1000000000 games on the bounce and as long as you gave it your best shot - I wont complain. To seemingly not attempt to have ago (which I have been wary of a couple of times with Mcliesh but give him the benefit of the doubt), and then admit it, is unforgivable. Mcliesh Out :shock:While I applaud you for finally coming over to our side, it's a bit odd that you've only just been turned now by McLeish not having a go. He's been doing it all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It is a very good sum up - His comments after Arsenal certainly turned me and it looks like the media are starting to catch wind too. Discusting Post match analysis - one that I will never ever forgive him for. Lose 1000000000 games on the bounce and as long as you gave it your best shot - I wont complain. To seemingly not attempt to have ago (which I have been wary of a couple of times with Mcliesh but give him the benefit of the doubt), and then admit it, is unforgivable. Mcliesh Out :shock:While I applaud you for finally coming over to our side, it's a bit odd that you've only just been turned now by McLeish not having a go. He's been doing it all season. I was at the Bolton League cup game and was appalled by what I saw. A few of the other games I have seen have been far from impressive, but I have always been willing to give him a chance baring in mind I think hes inherited an absolute mess. In short, on occasions I have been alarmed by what i have seen but seen no reason to not trust Mcliesh - and I have never believed he would go into a game not thinking 3 points was attainable. His Arsenal comments have totally and utterly blown that out the window. I was/am still genuinely staggered by what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It is a very good sum up - His comments after Arsenal certainly turned me and it looks like the media are starting to catch wind too. Discusting Post match analysis - one that I will never ever forgive him for. Lose 1000000000 games on the bounce and as long as you gave it your best shot - I wont complain. To seemingly not attempt to have ago (which I have been wary of a couple of times with Mcliesh but give him the benefit of the doubt), and then admit it, is unforgivable. Mcliesh Out :shock:While I applaud you for finally coming over to our side, it's a bit odd that you've only just been turned now by McLeish not having a go. He's been doing it all season. I was at the Bolton League cup game and was appalled by what I saw. A few of the other games I have seen have been far from impressive, but I have always been willing to give him a chance baring in mind I think hes inherited an absolute mess. In short, on occasions I have been alarmed by what i have seen but seen no reason to not trust Mcliesh - and I have never believed he would go into a game not thinking 3 points was attainable. His Arsenal comments have totally and utterly blown that out the window. I was/am still genuinely staggered by what he said.You're correct on all accounts. Thing is, the Arsenal game is nothing new. He's approached plenty of games this season like that. The only difference this time is that he's actually admitted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I havent actually heard these comments by AM. I want to see the interview so I can see the facial expressions, and in what way he said it, because alot can be learnt from that. Just heard people on here talking about it, think I need to go and search so I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Also Mantis, its probably worth mentioning, that whilst Ive never been a Mcliesh out poster, I have certainly never been a Mcliesh in poster (are there actually any) - What I have tried to do is remain patient and see where things are going - I have now seen (well heard) enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted March 28, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted March 28, 2012 The Teamtalk blog pretty much nailed it other then saying we wasted money on Carew. There were far far better examples that could have been used. Other then that thought it was very good, about time the media picked up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 The only difference this time is that he's actually admitted it. Thats the big thing for me. Whilst hes not admitting it, I would have always believed that he was surely trying to win games - regardless of the defensive tactics. I mean, I just cannot get my head round anyone approaching games with no belief they can win. Like I said, his comments have blown my initial thoughts out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It depresses me that people keep throwing the name Martinez about I mean WTF, is this how far we've fallen Who are you supporting this week CI? Why do you ask the same question every 5 pages, are you a goldfish? No are you a blowfish Anyway this thread is all about repetition, we've got nearly 700 pages of it and your contribution is significant Anyway Martinez ? I mean come on, is that how far we've fallen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Even my villa supporting friend has turned on him. He was the most pro Mcleish person you could get "give him a chance" etc. Now even he wants him out the club. His days are numbered at villa park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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