Bolitics The New Condem Government

[leviramsey]

And for those saying that your mate Mr Snowychap never misquotes, please see the first post on this page where Mr Snowychap does exactly that!!

As far as I can tell he copied what you wrote exactly. How can he misquote?

[thetrees]

I could not care less where the tax evasion/fraud comes from but I want it dealt with and it should surely be more of a priority than going after every Incapacity Benefit claimant, the majority of whom have done nothing wrong yet who are being persecuted to satisfy the ignorance of Daily Fascist/Sun type readers.

And there was I thinking that you did care!

Another for your info is that HMRC target people and companies who are paying tax in order to extract more from them, the majority of whom have done nothing wrong, and who are being persecuted to satisfy government targets, as HMRC refuse to target non-tax payers in politically sensitive areas where things are far too complicated.

People who pay are easier targets than those who pay nothing at all.

[kidlewis]

1) Is it fair for an unqualified doctor to judge someone's suitability to Incapacity Benefit when they are targetted on how many people they deem "fit" for work when they do not have the necessary knowledge, or would it be fairer and cheaper for a specialist to make that decision?

2) Is it fair to go after a group of mainly vulnerable people (as most claimants will be genuine) in preference to going after a group of people who are fiddling the country out of fifteen times that amount?

1. Interesting that you highlight 'unqualified' doctors ( I thought that you needed to be qualified to bear the title 'Doctor') being 'targetted' as

2. The 'tax evasion' henchmen and women are 'targetted' on how many successful cases that they bring and are on handsome commissions for same.

You may also be interested to know that at least equal amounts of, if not more, tax evasion comes from the so-called working classes and their 'black economy'

But then you are probably not interested, as you have consistently shown little or no interest in anyone else's point of view.

good point about the black market. Just think of all those rich pikeys. How they can afford to tow their new caravan with a bloody 7 series i'll never know.

Drugs probably, or stealing things.

a few years ago some pikeys ripped out all the piping in some changing rooms (or toilets) in leamington, probably to sell for scrap.

filth.

Not every builder/workman is a 'pikey' though, surely?

no no I was just talking about actual pikeys.

[drat01]

People who pay are easier targets than those who pay nothing at all.

and its a long way to Belize

[TrentVilla]

I'm struggling to spot any bullying for all the mudslinging that's going on, without much "proof" I must add. Time for some MOD action i would have thought ....

I think the MOD have enough on their hands in Afganistan at the moment to be honest Jon, our troops don't have enough kit as it is without trying to tackle the open war zone that is a VT politics thread.

[bickster]

troops are getting nice new uniforms today, with an all new, all singing and dancing new funky pattern on them

[TrentVilla]

Palm trees?

[Clarry]

I agree that a specialist's diagnosis should be acceptable to provide evidence without going to some government Dr Mengele to judge which queue you should join. It's efficient and saves costs. However, their diagnosis should be on the injury/illness affecting the claimant's "job of choice".

Example: a friend was told he could not do manual labour (carpentry) anymore by a Harley Street specialist, but the government doctor knew "better". My friend (aged 55) was quite happy to retrain or do other work.

Tax evaders are scumbags. Tax is a thorny subject to me. I don't mind paying, but I know some of my cash goes to killing innocent people in other countries. This bothers me more than it going to people who can't be bothered to work. We can't choose where it goes. But I would go as far to say that if you evade tax, you are responsible for sub-standard schools, services and ultimately avoidable deaths in hospitals.

[TrentVilla]

As well as less innocent people in other countries as well surely???

[Clarry]

As well as less innocent people in other countries as well surely???

Double Tax Whammy!

I was being a bit melodramatic, I know, but we can't control what we pick and choose where our tax goes.

[tonyh29]

Some good bullying going on - and not within the spirits of the rules of the politics threads

Oh come off it Drat ... but it is kinda amusing though that 2 labourites accuse the whole world of bullying when turning a blind eye to the bullying exploits of their imperial leader

But if you want to talk about rules then how about the one that says "let mods do the modding" :winkold:

If a poster wants to post his opinions then fine , but to cry bully when people point out holes the size of the UK deficit in his arguments or want to disagree with him , well it's just laughable ..

Now it's clear that nobody in this world could be as stupid as (we won't name anyone so lets just call them oh i don't know Mr R ) , so the only conclusion one can reach is that he is in merely posting for effect and thus should just be ignored ..

For your information Mr Snowychap sent me several abusive private messages

He just doesn't suffer fools ... I've lost count of the number of those snowy has sent me :-)

[Guest Ricardomeister]

More inane insults from the bullyboy, but I would not expect anything else! As usual you did not address any of the issues that I raised...and just waded in with the usual pathetic insults from behind your keyboard, just like your bullyboy mates. Indeed you have still not addressed any of the points that I raised. You do absolutely nothing to dispel the stereotypical image of Surrey residents! Rather than be intimidated by little people like you I just find you rather laughable.

[kidlewis]

well on the subject of benefits of all kinds it's clear Labour have been liberally using our money to fund various vanity projects like the child trust fund. I am not surprised that the system needs serious looking at.

Child benefit is important (what year was that brought in? I know I got it and I was born in 1983). I think you get it until the child is 16 years old?

Working tax credits should be increased for anyone earning under £20k.

Thinking about it they should up vat to 20% BUT say to anyone earning the minimum wage that they pay no tax. What would the minimum wage equate to on a full time annual wage? (35 hour week)

whatever that is, should be the threshold. £10k doesn't get you very far nowadays, not without still relying on benefits and credits, which doesn't solve the problem does it.

[drat01]

(what year was that brought in? I know I got it and I was born in 1983).

1946

[drat01]

Thinking about it they should up vat to 20% BUT say to anyone earning the minimum wage that they pay no tax. What would the minimum wage equate to on a full time annual wage? (35 hour week)

so how would that work? I go to a shop and I have to produce a "low paid" card before I can get a reduced VAT? - talk about social stigma and all that

[tonyh29]

so how would that work? I go to a shop and I have to produce a "low paid" card before I can get a reduced VAT? - talk about social stigma and all that

with your cloth cap and accent they would know you are low paid :-)

[kidlewis]

Thinking about it they should up vat to 20% BUT say to anyone earning the minimum wage that they pay no tax. What would the minimum wage equate to on a full time annual wage? (35 hour week)

so how would that work? I go to a shop and I have to produce a "low paid" card before I can get a reduced VAT? - talk about social stigma and all that

sorry I meant they would pay no income tax on their wage if they earned minimum wage (even if they were full time doing 35 hours a week). They would still have to pay the VAT on the goods, but would obviously benefit from the current situation because they would pay no tax on their earnings.

£5.93 (min wage) X 35 X 52 = £10,793.

anyone earning that or less should pay no tax.

[drat01]

Ah OK sorry KL, your post didn't read like that at first, I know the Tories can be radical in the way they want to keep down the "oiks" but I suspected that we had not reached the days of wearing badges for social stature :-)

[LondonLax]

Thinking about it they should up vat to 20% BUT say to anyone earning the minimum wage that they pay no tax. What would the minimum wage equate to on a full time annual wage? (35 hour week)

so how would that work? I go to a shop and I have to produce a "low paid" card before I can get a reduced VAT? - talk about social stigma and all that

sorry I meant they would pay no income tax on their wage if they earned minimum wage (even if they were full time doing 35 hours a week). They would still have to pay the VAT on the goods, but would obviously benefit from the current situation because they would pay no tax on their earnings.

£5.93 (min wage) X 35 X 52 = £10,793.

anyone earning that or less should pay no tax.

What about pensioners and people on benifits? Would you up those as well to cover the change?

[tonyh29]

£5.93 (min wage) X 35 X 52 = £10,793.

anyone earning that or less should pay no tax.

Would you make that £10,793 tax free for everybody ?