Bollitics: The General Election 2010 Exit Poll

[Guest Ricardomeister]

Only a Tory voter could think that would make a fairer society! The vast majority of people earning over £150k pa have been lucky enough to have enjoyed far greater opportunities in life than most basic rate taxpayers so I think it is their moral duty to contribute more into the pot. If I were ever lucky enough to earn over £150K pa I would have no problems at all with the new tax rate

your only saying that because you are not in their postion. i agree they should pay more but at least make it fair 50% abit ott

No, you are wrong, as I said in my original post I would have no problems with paying the 50% tax rate if I were earning more than £150k pa.

50% on the whole earnings would be unfair but it is only 50% on the balance over £150k a year and that seems perfectly fair to me in the current financial situation.

[Awol]

^ The Trees is advocating a "fairer" system. You however seem to want to punish people for daring to do well. The politics of envy, aka, socialism (or the equal sharing of misery).

Total, complete and absolute rubbish! I was lucky enough to be educated at what is generally regarded as the best school in Birmingham and one of the best in the country. I worked damned hard to get into the school and continued to work damned hard and achieved excellent academic and professional qualifications. However, I appreciate that the vast majority of people never had the same opportunities as myself and therefore I think I have a moral duty to put back more into society so that more people can have similar opportunities to those which I enjoyed.

Good for you, what about the kid who didn't go to King Eddy's and has made a good living through hard graft, do you think they should pay more in tax for making a success of themselves and if so, why? Who are you or anyone else for that matter to dictate what people can earn before the state start taking it from them in ever greater degrees? If they pay into the system as they should then what is the problem? For all I know you may earn far more than me and fair play to you if you do, imo you shouldn't have to pay tax at a higher rate than me just because of that. This is still a free country where people are legitmately allowed to achieve without suffering the Guardianista whining that it's not fair.

To be honest it's the arrogant and controlling instincts of people like you who think you have a right to reach into the pockets of others that made me realise how flawed socialism really is. You can dress up your opinions as "social conscience" if you wish, in reality it's the difference between a free society and the malignant hatred of those who simply don't like to see others prosper.

Both of your attitudes reek of the Tory "me, me, me, I am better than you because I get paid more money" attitude that I find abhorrent.

I'm afraid it's you his is talking rubbish here, you do not know either of us but assume that because we don't agree that people should be penalised by the state for becoming successful that we are selfish and think we are better than other people? Seriously, what kind of **** up logic is that?

Making such sweeping assumptions about people you don't know, based on nothing more than your own political prejudices is the hallmark of a supremely ignorant mind.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

The failure in capitalist logic is the idea that money means something more than it actually does. It is nothing. Nada.

Everyone should have the same standard of living, and that does not mean identical lives. That does not mean one size fits all. It means if your a doctor or a hard working single mother you have acess to the same amenities and standards of living as one another. Humans are equal and I see no justification in capitalist logic whatsoever that simply because you have more money means you are deserving of a better quality of life. You are essentially basing your right to a higher quality of life simply down to the fact you have more numbers against your name. You do not necassarily work as hard or harder than people on a lower income and thus there your logic falls apart.

There is nothing more stupid or ignorant in this world that some people have that just because they have more pieces of paper in their wallet that they are somehow more deserving of a better quality of life than someone else. It's bullshit and nothing justifies it what so ever.

The idea of people 'reaching into the pockets of the rich' is purely paranoia spun out of right wing propaganda, the rich will still have more disposable income regardless of the income tax they are forced to pay and they will still have a higher quality of life. It's a bullshit argument which basically stems from selfish and greedy people claiming 'me, me me and more more more'.

[jonno_2004]

^ So people who can't be bothered to get off their arse in the morning deserve the same standard of living as the average hard-working person? You have to earn it in life. I'm not saying there's not an imbalance either, but likewise you can't get it handed to you for doing sod all. It's a great ideal but its not workable.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

I wasn't advocating benefit spongers to be fair, I hate the words removed as much as anyone.

If you can work, you will work. That's my motto

[markavfc40]

The tory supporters must be well **** off. If they can't get an overall majority now then its doubtful they ever will again.

[jonno_2004]

I wasn't advocating benefit spongers to be fair, I hate the words removed as much as anyone.

If you can work, you will work. That's my motto

Fair enough, I wasn't really saying you were, just that they'd be even better off under that system than a Labour one :winkold:

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

You have to put in to the system before you get anything out of it 8)

[snowychap]

You have to put in to the system before you get anything out of it 8)

'The system' isn't a place where one banks person specific credits.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

Not yet

[snowychap]

Not yet

It would make getting a publicly funded education (for example) rather tricky.

[chrisp65]

You have to put in to the system before you get anything out of it 8)

.....is a perfectly fair and logical viewpoint providing there are jobs created that enable you to 'put in'.

The problem previously in my town under the tory's was that there simply were no jobs created to replace those that were cut at ABP, BP, Dow etc.. It simply wasn't fair that thousands of people were put on the dole and then told they should be working. It wouldn't be realistic to expect thousands of people in a single town brought up in a comp education system where they are trained to be workers not leaders to all suddenly become little one man businesses (there is only space for so many window cleaners).

Where there are jobs, anybody not working without a bloody good reason should not expect anything but absolutely basic humane support.

Having mentioned the 'problem' under the last tory govt its only fair to point out the failing I can see under the current system. The kids that mix with my kids that have the latest phones and games, are the ones who's parents aren't working. That's a simple anecdotal snapshot, but I see that and similar every day. It needs to be addressed.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

Edit: Yeah I see that all the time, some of the jobless people I know have more expensive televisions and shit than richer folk I know!

The problem is more jobs would need to be created but where would you create them from? You would need to educate a complete work force who have worked in industrial labour for decades, to be ready for tertiary employment for a start.

[Guest Ricardomeister]

^ The Trees is advocating a "fairer" system. You however seem to want to punish people for daring to do well. The politics of envy, aka, socialism (or the equal sharing of misery).

Total, complete and absolute rubbish! I was lucky enough to be educated at what is generally regarded as the best school in Birmingham and one of the best in the country. I worked damned hard to get into the school and continued to work damned hard and achieved excellent academic and professional qualifications. However, I appreciate that the vast majority of people never had the same opportunities as myself and therefore I think I have a moral duty to put back more into society so that more people can have similar opportunities to those which I enjoyed.

Good for you, what about the kid who didn't go to King Eddy's and has made a good living through hard graft, do you think they should pay more in tax for making a success of themselves and if so, why? Who are you or anyone else for that matter to dictate what people can earn before the state start taking it from them in ever greater degrees? If they pay into the system as they should then what is the problem? For all I know you may earn far more than me and fair play to you if you do, imo you shouldn't have to pay tax at a higher rate than me just because of that. This is still a free country where people are legitmately allowed to achieve without suffering the Guardianista whining that it's not fair.

To be honest it's the arrogant and controlling instincts of people like you who think you have a right to reach into the pockets of others that made me realise how flawed socialism really is. You can dress up your opinions as "social conscience" if you wish, in reality it's the difference between a free society and the malignant hatred of those who simply don't like to see others prosper.

Both of your attitudes reek of the Tory "me, me, me, I am better than you because I get paid more money" attitude that I find abhorrent.

I'm afraid it's you his is talking rubbish here, you do not know either of us but assume that because we don't agree that people should be penalised by the state for becoming successful that we are selfish and think we are better than other people? Seriously, what kind of **** up logic is that?

Making such sweeping assumptions about people you don't know, based on nothing more than your own political prejudices is the hallmark of a supremely ignorant mind.

And here we have a winner! This has to be the biggest load of claptrap I have ever read on here...which is saying something! This is exactly why I did not vote Tory!!

[Ads]

Why is it clap trap?

[leviramsey]

actually, give the farce that went on at a few polling stations, I think there should be another immediate general election anyway.

People not being allowed to vote due to incompetence FTL!

You can't make Florida jokes any more...

As I noted, standard practice in most/all US states is that if there's people in line at the time the polls close, the poll stays open for them.

[leviramsey]

I find these calls for electoral reform quite coincidental on the day that the Labour lose the general election.

Who are you aiming that comment at?

The Labour party and all those supporters that think that it’s the Conservatives that have blocked electoral reform... despite Labour having had three parliaments with very large majorities and yet surprisingly no movement on the issue in all of those 13 years.

The phrase "Shit or get off the pot" comes to mind.

(Semi-related fact: there is believed to be a link between sitting on said pot without shitting and hemorrhoids)

[leviramsey]

The Libertarians managed to get 41 votes in Sutton & Cheam and 141 votes in Devizes...

(with a UKIP refugee running as an independent but officially endorsed by the party getting 658 votes in Meriden)

[Awol]

The tory supporters must be well **** off. If they can't get an overall majority now then its doubtful they ever will again.

Actually no, if the Tories can form a government you can bet they'll iron out the inbalance and electoral advantage Labour have built into the current boundary set up, therby getting a good majority when this thing is re-run later in the year.

Have a look at the election map fella, most of it is blue...

[leviramsey]

The problem is more jobs would need to be created but where would you create them from? You would need to educate a complete work force who have worked in industrial labour for decades, to be ready for tertiary employment for a start.

Reduce the taxes and regulation and the jobs will come...

Nice to see the protofascists of VT out and about and perhaps being a bit honest about things.