Zatman Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 thouught he improved at one stage last season and was getting a bit more football intelligence but sounds like he gone back to his old ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I just thought it was standard Lennon to be honest, he isn't really a footballer he is an athlete in football boots. He can run fast but in terms of a football brain he isn't on the same level as the players around him and at times like last night he is exposed for being exactly that. It isn't so much that he can't cross (although he can't) it is more that he just doesn't see the game the way others do, the instinct isn't there, by the time he thinks about it the moment has passed. That is almost word for word what they said yesterday and they made the comparison with Theo Walcott, and I have to agree, although I would probably have him in the villa team at this moment. He does do the occasional brilliance like the wing play for Crouch's goal in the san siro last season. The way Van Der Vaart started biting his shirt though :shock: , was a bit crazy. As for Van Der Vaart, he is an awesome player, was totally surprised he even went to Spurs, should be playing for a top champions league team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 23, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2011 There is a similarity to Walcott and I almost mentioned him in my previous post but I do think there is a small degree of seperation between the two in that Walcott has the brain to see things just not the ability to always make them happen. As for VDV he is a very talented player but as BOF pointed out he is one that needs a side built around him in order to excel and that is often to the detriment to other players. He isn't quite brilliant enough to warrant this at a top CL side which is why he failed at Madrid. At Spurs to get the best out of him they have had to change the whole set up of the side and its seen Defoe lose his place and form, that is fine at Spurs but it just wouldn't happen at the top CL clubs for a player of VDV's level, for that you'd need to be well a Messi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Anyone else think shooting at every opportunity at De Gea last night from outside the box was a tactic that Spuds got wrong? The more shots they tried and failed with, the more the 20yr old's confidence seemed to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Yeah, the only time De Gea looked a little suspect was the cross he misjudged that lead to Defoe volleying against the post and the spill that he was quick to pounce on anyway. Sort of ties back to the earlier point on v.d.Vaart as well, as soon as he got pissed off he was just shooting at every opportunity with little effect. De Gea's distribution was also much improved, somewhat back to the level he had at Atlético when he wasted very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 one thing I've noticed with De Gea is he struggles with shots that are put in "low" (bottom corner etc) I noticed it at his time at Atletico too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I noticed that Rory Delap has quite a long throw in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 23, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted August 23, 2011 I've thought the above about Walcott too. I have a friend who is adamant that Walcott will develop into "the next Henry" I keep telling him there's no chance, he just doesn't have the brain for it, despite being obviously talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 23, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted August 23, 2011 How to annoy Harry Redknapp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I noticed that Rory Delap has quite a long throw in. I'm presuming this little gem just came to you whilst musing over the Man U V Spuds game last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Sky not only interview Harry about other teams' transfers aka Ashley Young going to Man United, but they actually interviewed him about the cricket the other day as well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Why wasn't Gomes in goal? Was he injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 23, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2011 No, he's 2nd choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Why wasn't Gomes in goal? Was he injured? Friedel is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 No, he's 2nd choice. :shock: I thought he was signed as 3rd choice keeper behind Gomes and Cudicini. At his age I didnt think we would see Brad on the pitch again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey55 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Anyone else think shooting at every opportunity at De Gea last night from outside the box was a tactic that Spuds got wrong? The more shots they tried and failed with, the more the 20yr old's confidence seemed to grow. He spilled Huddlestones shot in the last couple of minutes. And a few minutes before that he struggled with a cross and Defoe hit the post. I thought he looked pretty shakey throughout, it's just we didn't really have many good long shots. I think a team with a proper central midfield and a striker who is strong in the air, could get closer to goal more fequently and expose De Gea more. I'm sure he's a good GK, but I'd expect to see a few more iffy performances in the coming weeks. We gave him a fairly easy time and he still looked like he had mistakes in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Do you rate Defoe? I personally think he is decent, but people on here don;t rate him. I don't think he is better then Bent, but he is better then Agbonlahor, Heskey and Delfouneso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Gabby offers more than Defoe and so does Heskey(ask any England manager) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Gabby offers more than Defoe and so does Heskey(ask any England manager) I disagree, I think Defoe offers more. I think if all 3 played the same amount of games getting the same quality of service, Defoe would comfortably score more then Heskey and Agbonlahor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 23, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2011 Gabby offers more than Defoe and so does Heskey(ask any England manager) I disagree, I think Defoe offers more. I think if all 3 played the same amount of games getting the same quality of service, Defoe would comfortably score more then Heskey and Agbonlahor. Yes but you aren't comparing like for like. Bent and Defoe are similar in that they are largely just goal scorers out of the two I have always rated Bent as the better goal scorer. In Gabby and Heskey we have two players who clearly aren't as good a goal scorers as Defoe but offer other strengths and contribute in other ways, something Defoe doesn't really do. So I agree Heskey and Gabby offer more of an all round game than Defoe even if they don't score as many goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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