Dodgyknees Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Ric was fast, but I am not sure his heart is as in it as it was. Yes I know he’s also in a slower car. But he’s the type of guy who I think is faster the more he believes in it, takes that extra split second off in each sector. Bloody nice man - love him, but I definitely think he may retire soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 3, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 3, 2022 Albon is sticking around for next year and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YouUnastanFren Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Not even had one race in F1 yet and he's already created a classic meme format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpet Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 21 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: He matched Verstappen until he left in 2018, by which point Verstappen had done over 80 grands prix. But my point is not that he's as good as VER or even Norris, because he's clearly not. My point is that he was as quick as Verstappen in a car that suited him. He's still capable of being quick, he's just not in the elite echelon of drivers that are quick in anything. I agree his driving style being too limited is not a defence but I'm not defending him, I'm just trying to add more to the discussion than he is either quick or slow. I agree he's not as good as he thinks he is, with the caveat that he might have the potential to be as quick as he thinks he is but he is not as versatile as he thinks he is. Can't help but think he's lost some confidence as well. He was known as the "last of the late brakers" and went for overtakes where he had no right to, think Hungary 14 or 15 was one where he was in a class of his own. Now he doesn't go for those moves and seems too cautious. Agree though he seems to "need" the right car, as opposed to others that can bring some performance to a bad car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 8, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 8, 2022 Gotta say after watching this, Oscar goes gown a notch in my estimation. Alpine not the bumbling idiots they initially appeared to be. Now it's only one notch. He's not the devil so keep your hair on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 8, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 8, 2022 Some reports Alpine might go for Gasly now. Rumours he has a release clause if a team higher up the WCC come in for him. No one credible reporting it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 8 hours ago, BOF said: Gotta say after watching this, Oscar goes gown a notch in my estimation. Alpine not the bumbling idiots they initially appeared to be. Now it's only one notch. He's not the devil so keep your hair on Teams expecting loyalty when they haven't signed the driver up to a contract with a seat screams hypocrisy to me. It was Alpine that sat him on the sidelines instead of paying for this alleged Williams seat for him this year after all, if no contract has been given to him then it would be naive of him to trust them that next season would be any different. He doesn't owe Alpine any loyalty because they gave him testing time imo, they did that because he's fast. They wanted to use Piastri and Alonso as bargaining chips against eachother and they tried some brinkmanship against both and lost spectacularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 9, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2022 7 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: Teams expecting loyalty when they haven't signed the driver up to a contract with a seat screams hypocrisy to me. It was Alpine that sat him on the sidelines instead of paying for this alleged Williams seat for him this year after all, if no contract has been given to him then it would be naive of him to trust them that next season would be any different. He doesn't owe Alpine any loyalty because they gave him testing time imo, they did that because he's fast. They wanted to use Piastri and Alonso as bargaining chips against eachother and they tried some brinkmanship against both and lost spectacularly. I'm not suggesting you haven't watched the video, but if you have you'll have seen that they've pumped the guts of £10m into getting him this far and they also _guaranteed_ him a drive next season at Williams as per contract if they couldn't get him one at Alpine and then he **** off. They did everything asked of them and he shat on them. Yes he's allowed to do that, but ideally you don't. He did a dick head move. They did the right thing. He's an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 4 hours ago, BOF said: I'm not suggesting you haven't watched the video, but if you have you'll have seen that they've pumped the guts of £10m into getting him this far and they also _guaranteed_ him a drive next season at Williams as per contract if they couldn't get him one at Alpine and then he **** off. I watched the video but it was mainly hearsay, and my definition of guarantee is different to that guys. If they had guaranteed him a seat he would be signed up to a contract locking him in to a seat and wouldn't be **** off to McLaren. Clearly none of us know the wording of his contract with Alpine but at this point it seems like it was more like a promise than a contract. The money they've spent on testing that they've used him for is largely irrelevant from my perspective, if they'd offered him an Alpine seat and a long contract he'd have taken it, he's well within his rights to leave if they haven't signed him up. Alpine have been caught trying to hoard F1 drivers and now they have 1 left. They tried to keep Zhou on the sidelines as well this year iirc as their reserve reserve but he signed with Alfa instead. Serves Otmar right, he's been a talking **** about Alonso all season. Alpine are a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 9, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2022 Can't say I blame them. At the very least they should try and get back some of the considerable money they put into the career of someone who pissed off before it was reasonable to do so. He did what's best for his career. They should be remunerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I agree they should definitely get what they're contractually entitled to. From what I can see that is likely to be nothing. IMV they seem to have gambled on using the threat of Piastri taking the Alpine seat to try and force Alonso to sign a shorter contract than he wanted. Because of this they couldn't buy the Williams seat yet so they told Piastri to sit and wait with no contract signed for a 2023 seat until it was sorted with Alonso. The part they didn't factor in was that Alonso and Webber are bffs and were willing to conspire against them to both find alternative seats while leaving Alpine holding their proverbial d***. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted August 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 10, 2022 17 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: I agree they should definitely get what they're contractually entitled to. From what I can see that is likely to be nothing. IMV they seem to have gambled on using the threat of Piastri taking the Alpine seat to try and force Alonso to sign a shorter contract than he wanted. Because of this they couldn't buy the Williams seat yet so they told Piastri to sit and wait with no contract signed for a 2023 seat until it was sorted with Alonso. The part they didn't factor in was that Alonso and Webber are bffs and were willing to conspire against them to both find alternative seats while leaving Alpine holding their proverbial d***. The part you are missing from your theory is Ricciardo. What you may not be aware of is that he is also very good friends with Alonso. They could all be colluding in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, ozvillafan said: The part you are missing from your theory is Ricciardo. What you may not be aware of is that he is also very good friends with Alonso. They could all be colluding in this. Not sure how involved RIC is in instigating this as he's the one getting unseated a year early in favour of a rookie. That said it looks likely that he is getting paid handsomely to leave McLaren, if he can get that settled AND THEN be free from his contract to negotiate a new deal with Alpine then he comes out of this a winner as well really. Especially if the Alpine is more stable under braking as it seems so he can get closer to the cars potential than he can with the McLaren. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2022 Seems the CRB have ratified both contracts now too. Piastri effectively has 2 valid contracts for next year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BOF said: Seems the CRB have ratified both contracts now too. Piastri effectively has 2 valid contracts for next year Shocking if true. Does the CRB announce stuff like the rest of FIA or is it all insider sources? I can only find random sites reporting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: Shocking if true. Does the CRB announce stuff like the rest of FIA or is it all insider sources? I can only find random sites reporting it. I think what the CRB have done here is effectively confirm the legality of both contract offers. In other words Alpine were well within their rights to offer Piastri a contract and so were McLaren. Obviously he can't accept them both, but both are legitimately on the table, and I think we can guess which one he will choose. Regardless, I think it's clear this one is going to court for one reason or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 10, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, BOF said: I think what the CRB have done here is effectively confirm the legality of both contract offers. In other words Alpine were well within their rights to offer Piastri a contract and so were McLaren. Obviously he can't accept them both, but both are legitimately on the table, and I think we can guess which one he will choose. Regardless, I think it's clear this one is going to court for one reason or another. If Alpine's is a legitimate contract surely he's broken that contract in signing for Mclaren as it's an automatic extension of his current deal Effectively, just like a football transfer, compensation will be due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) My understanding was that they only rule on contracts rather than contract offers but I have never really taken too much interest in their goings on. The quote from Otmar in The Race article @BOFposted suggested it would only go to court if the only contract that was valid was the Alpine one Quote “If the CRB says, ‘Your licence is only valid at Alpine’, and then he says, ‘That’s great but I’m never driving for them, I’ll just sit out a year’, then you’ve got to go to the High Court for compensation.” From that I take it that if the CRB say McLaren have a valid contract with Piastri there will be no court action. Edited August 10, 2022 by YouUnastanFren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: My understanding was that they only rule on contracts rather than contract offers but I have never really taken too much interest in their goings on. The quote from Otmar in The Race article @BOFposted suggested it would only go to court if the only contract that was valid was the Alpine one From that I take it that if the CRB say McLaren have a valid contract with Piastri there will be no court action. I think in that situation there will be court action for compensation. I'm not suggesting it will succeed. I just think if Alpine come out of this without their driver, they'll want to try and save face. They won't take it sitting down. That's why I said one reason or another. There are a few reasons both sides could end up in court. EDIT :And I definitely did read earlier that CRB had ratified both. I just can't remember where I read it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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