The_Steve Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 The audio again proves how VAR is a racket to protect incompetence - they aren’t that interested in listening to those with expertise. Too afraid or unwilling to criticise their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, AndyClarke said: It's quite sad that the one person on the audio whose (I presume) job is to do as he is told and offer no opinion (the replay guy), is actually the only one who questions the decision! Not in the audio but the VAR Hub Operations Executive Oli Kohout was also very sensible here. Was saying to delay the game even with the protocol saying it wasn't possible. Surely he's a boss in that situation? No idea why they didn't listen to him. Edited October 4, 2023 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted October 4, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: This is the case, it says as much on the video. The recording is all of the audio from the VAR room but they choose when to broadcast to the ref Are you sure......before the decision is made you can hear VAR talking about players holding and the refs heavy breathing can be heard at around the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Not in the audio but the VAR Hub Operations Executive Oli Kohout was also very sensible here. Was saying to delay the game even with the protocol saying it wasn't possible. Surely he's a boss in that situation? No idea why they didn't listen to him. You can’t go back and change a ruling once the game is restarted. That is the one part they did correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, tinker said: Are you sure......before the decision is made you can hear VAR talking about players holding and the refs heavy breathing can be heard at around the same time. Just going by their video 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I don’t understand why they couldn’t have just stopped the game and pulled it back to correct the error? They act in the audio like pretending a correct goal didn’t happen is more important than disrupting a nothing passage of play 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, JPJCB said: I don’t understand why they couldn’t have just stopped the game and pulled it back to correct the error? They act in the audio like pretending a correct goal didn’t happen is more important than disrupting a nothing passage of play There is no mechanism in the rules to go back and redo a passage of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, LondonLax said: You can’t go back and change a ruling once the game is restarted. That is the one part they did correctly That’s what the guidelines say but the guidelines also don’t have a situation like what happened outlined. The fact the head of VAR operations at PGMOL was saying delay delay shows that pretty clearly. The right decision is more important here. Or at least getting the message down to the managers via the 4th official, pause the game, explain what happened and let them decide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: That’s what the guidelines say but the guidelines also don’t have a situation like what happened outlined. The fact the head of VAR operations at PGMOL was saying delay delay shows that pretty clearly. The right decision is more important here. Or at least getting the message down to the managers via the 4th official, pause the game, explain what happened and let them decide. When you say ‘guidelines’ do you mean ‘rule book’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: When you say ‘guidelines’ do you mean ‘rule book’? Does it matter which word you use? They disallowed a goal that's perfectly legal in the rulebook. And even if you take the view they couldn't go back and fix it, the scenario I presented in my 2nd paragraph is entirely within the rule book. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Seems to be quite a lot of chat r.e: "They say they can't do anything... but they awarded Man Utd a penalty after the final whistle against Brighton". Who knows - it's a mess. However, some of the reaction is so ridiculously OTT (expectedly, I suppose). It's a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Does it matter which word you use? They disallowed a goal that's perfectly legal in the rulebook. And even if you take the view they couldn't go back and fix it, the scenario I presented in my 2nd paragraph is entirely within the rule book. FA Rule 5 subsection 2: “The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the field of play or abandoned the match.” I don’t get the extra fuss with this case anyway. Referees make mistakes, it happens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, LondonLax said: FA Rule 5 subsection 2: “The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the field of play or abandoned the match.” I don’t get the extra fuss with this case anyway. Referees make mistakes, it happens ???? Am I missing something? How does informing the 4th official and telling the managers what happened breach this rule? (a la Leeds/Villa and us walking it into the net?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: ???? Am I missing something? How does informing the 4th official and telling the managers what happened breach this rule? (a la Leeds/Villa and us walking it into the net?) None of your previous posts talked about managers. The game was paused at the next stoppage in play (a throw-in) and the on field referee’s were informed of what had happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: ???? Am I missing something? How does informing the 4th official and telling the managers what happened breach this rule? (a la Leeds/Villa and us walking it into the net?) "Hi Ange, it seems we've mistakenly disallowed a Liverpool goal which should have stood. Could you just let them score please?" "Bonza - no problem mate" Sure thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, LondonLax said: None of your previous posts talked about managers. The game was paused at the next stoppage in play (a throw-in) and the on field referee’s were informed of what had happened. 48 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: That’s what the guidelines say but the guidelines also don’t have a situation like what happened outlined. The fact the head of VAR operations at PGMOL was saying delay delay shows that pretty clearly. The right decision is more important here. Or at least getting the message down to the managers via the 4th official, pause the game, explain what happened and let them decide. 1 minute ago, bobzy said: "Hi Ange, it seems we've mistakenly disallowed a Liverpool goal which should have stood. Could you just let them score please?" "Bonza - no problem mate" Sure thing Would be down to him to decide, but I don't see the issue in letting him know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 The fact is that in grand scheme of things you’re gonna get far more criticism for not intervening to allow a perfectly legal goal than interrupting a meaningless passage of play in the interests of the precious rule book. No common sense was applied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, StefanAVFC said: Would be down to him to decide, but I don't see the issue in letting him know. Because it's a nonsense. You don't put the onus on the manager after making a balls up. What should happen is that people accept a mistake has been made. Apparently this is on a par with some heinous crime and all officials involved are corrupt and should lose their jobs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, JPJCB said: The fact is that in grand scheme of things you’re gonna get far more criticism for not intervening to allow a perfectly legal goal than interrupting a meaningless passage of play in the interests of the precious rule book. No common sense was applied But it then sets a precedent. Every single missed and/or given big decision can be questioned by the managers with this being a past example of being able to stop the game, go back and re-apply a ruling. It'd open a huge can of worms; even if it makes sense as a "one off". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, bobzy said: Because it's a nonsense. You don't put the onus on the manager after making a balls up. What should happen is that people accept a mistake has been made. Apparently this is on a par with some heinous crime and all officials involved are corrupt and should lose their jobs How is it a nonsense? There are precedents in the game for sportsmanship based on kicking the ball out, or even on field mistakes being made. If a goal has been wiped out due to a human error (not a poor decision or subjective call), and spotted immediately, I'm sure any manager would want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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