bickster Posted January 8, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 8, 2023 I don’t car which topic you want to discuss todays affairs in Brazil in but can we just make it the one please. It’s already been posted in three threads to my knowledge. This one does seem the most appropriate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 This is very bad, but I don't think it will be a successful coup. The idea that the US, led by Biden, wants Bolsonoro to succeed in a coup is madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted January 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2023 Hauntingly familiar to Americans I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, bickster said: THINK OF THIS AS BEING IN RED INK BECAUSE THAT ISNT WORKING FOR ME FOR SOME REASON You've put that in the wrong thread, and I'm using red! Let's not tell @limpid 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted January 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, KentVillan said: This is very bad, but I don't think it will be a successful coup. The idea that the US, led by Biden, wants Bolsonoro to succeed in a coup is madness. Bolsonoro literally stands for the exact opposite of Biden. Him and Trump are effectively political clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Bolsonoro literally stands for the exact opposite of Biden. Him and Trump are effectively political clones. Exactly my point. If Trump were in power, then this would be a legitimate concern. I get Latin Americans have a very reasonable, factually grounded suspicion of US activities in their countries, but this just wouldn't be Biden's style. Destabilising Brazil in this way doesn't help anyone. I'm sure it will be sorted out. Bolsonaro doesn't have enough support from foreign allies to pull something like this off IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Zen Posted January 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2023 Security forces appear to have control over the situation, but this shit is disheartening and a strong reminder to the rest of us that it’s not enough not to be fascists, we have to be explicitely, vociferously and actively anti-fascist. Democracy must be protected from its enemies. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 8, 2023 Author Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, KentVillan said: This is very bad, but I don't think it will be a successful coup. The idea that the US, led by Biden, wants Bolsonoro to succeed in a coup is madness. Who suggested this was a Biden scheme? This has Trump, Jason Miller, Steve Bannon and Roger Stone written all over it, in collaboration with Bolsonaro and his people. Edited January 8, 2023 by maqroll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, maqroll said: Who suggested this was a Biden scheme? This has Trump, Jason Miller, Steve Bannon and Roger Stone written all over it, in collaboration with Bolsonaro and his people. The idea that it's "US Imperialism" suggests US regime involvement. Trump / Bannon / Stone don't have the capacity to actually drive something like this while out of office. I think it's more authentically Brazilian than people realise - they have a long history of suspicion of Lula and the supposed threat of "communism". The Trump connection is overblown. Edit: just to be clear, the Trump / Bannon crowd are definitely in favour of this kind of stuff, and trying to stoke it up. But the idea that they can coordinate and execute a coup from the US is farfetched. And the goal isn't "US imperialism", it's the global alt right movement supporting kindred spirits. Edited January 8, 2023 by KentVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 8, 2023 Author Share Posted January 8, 2023 34 minutes ago, KentVillan said: The idea that it's "US Imperialism" suggests US regime involvement. Trump / Bannon / Stone don't have the capacity to actually drive something like this while out of office. I think it's more authentically Brazilian than people realise - they have a long history of suspicion of Lula and the supposed threat of "communism". The Trump connection is overblown. Edit: just to be clear, the Trump / Bannon crowd are definitely in favour of this kind of stuff, and trying to stoke it up. But the idea that they can coordinate and execute a coup from the US is farfetched. And the goal isn't "US imperialism", it's the global alt right movement supporting kindred spirits. Right, I'm just not sure why you are bringing up the idea of US imperialism/Biden plot. Who has suggested that? Miller and Bannon are deeply involved with Bolsonaro, with Trump and Stone a bit more removed. But Miller and Bannon have been traveling back ad forth to Brazil for years now. It's likely that some of the MAGA grift cash has been funneled to Bolsonaro and that they share other resources and methodology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, maqroll said: Right, I'm just not sure why you are bringing up the idea of US imperialism/Biden plot. Who has suggested that? Miller and Bannon are deeply involved with Bolsonaro, with Trump and Stone a bit more removed. But Miller and Bannon have been traveling back ad forth to Brazil for years now. It's likely that some of the MAGA grift cash has been funneled to Bolsonaro and that they share other resources and methodology. It's in one of the articles you shared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, KentVillan said: It's in one of the articles you shared In 2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, El Zen said: In 2016 Oh ffs thought this was a new thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 8, 2023 Author Share Posted January 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Oh ffs thought this was a new thread Sorry man! I was confused there, haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 It pisses me off that the Bolsonaristas have tried to co-opt the Brazil football shirt as their "Red MAGA cap". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Fora Bolsonaro! I mean, he’s out of office, but get that fascist word removed out of politics for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, El Zen said: Fora Bolsonaro! I mean, he’s out of office, but get that fascist word removed out of politics for good. A prison cell is where he should be given the corruption he has been part of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, El Zen said: Fora Bolsonaro! I mean, he’s out of office, but get that fascist word removed out of politics for good. We can start by arresting him in Florida and shipping him back to Brazil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Title could easily be changed to (Another)Brazil Coup D'etat Underway. Politics there are infamously messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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