YGabbana Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Messi needs to start turning it on in thr big comps for argentina before he can be called the best player ever imo 2 goals in 13 knockout games before tonight for him It really does baffle me how people call him the best ever tbh, hes no where near maradonna imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Valdivia looks a bit like Angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Valdivia looks a bit like Angel. Classy player aswell i like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 Messi needs to start turning it on in thr big comps for argentina before he can be called the best player ever imo 2 goals in 13 knockout games before tonight for him It really does baffle me how people call him the best ever tbh, hes no where near maradonna imo. white its a bit of a era thing and hard to argue I think Maradona would be better player now as the tackles he took were ferocious to say the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 Aranguiz is a very good player and probably deserves a move to Europe to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Messi needs to start turning it on in thr big comps for argentina before he can be called the best player ever imo 2 goals in 13 knockout games before tonight for himIt really does baffle me how people call him the best ever tbh, hes no where near maradonna imo. white its a bit of a era thing and hard to argue I think Maradona would be better player now as the tackles he took were ferocious to say the least Which era then? Because in my lifetime id rate Zidane and Ronaldo ahead of Messi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Messi needs to start turning it on in thr big comps for argentina before he can be called the best player ever imo2 goals in 13 knockout games before tonight for himIt really does baffle me how people call him the best ever tbh, hes no where near maradonna imo. white its a bit of a era thing and hard to argue I think Maradona would be better player now as the tackles he took were ferocious to say the leastWhich era then? Because in my lifetime id rate Zidane and Ronaldo ahead of Messi Not a chance for me he's head and shoulders above them pair (I'm assuming that's brazilian Ronaldo too seeing as your argument against messi app would actually make Portuguese Ronaldo look worse...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 Messi needs to start turning it on in thr big comps for argentina before he can be called the best player ever imo 2 goals in 13 knockout games before tonight for him It really does baffle me how people call him the best ever tbh, hes no where near maradonna imo. white its a bit of a era thing and hard to argue I think Maradona would be better player now as the tackles he took were ferocious to say the least Which era then? Because in my lifetime id rate Zidane and Ronaldo ahead of Messi Which Ronaldo I think in Messi era/generation only him and C.Ronaldo be known as great attackers of that generation maybe Kaka and Ronaldinho could be mentioned though both didnt have same level of consistency as the other 2 Ive no shame admitting im no Messi fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 Argentina playing for set-pieces here, Big Sam must have an influence over Argentina since the World Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Messi needs to start turning it on in thr big comps for argentina before he can be called the best player ever imo2 goals in 13 knockout games before tonight for himIt really does baffle me how people call him the best ever tbh, hes no where near maradonna imo.white its a bit of a era thing and hard to argue I think Maradona would be better player now as the tackles he took were ferocious to say the leastWhich era then? Because in my lifetime id rate Zidane and Ronaldo ahead of Messi Not a chance for me he's head and shoulders above them pair (I'm assuming that's brazilian Ronaldo too seeing as your argument against messi app would actually make Portuguese Ronaldo look worse...) Brazilian Ronaldo of course, the man who did it everywhere he played and set records in the world cup. You rate Messi above him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Yes, I rate him as the best player of my lifetime, don't get me wrong Ronaldo and zidane were brilliant players, messi is on another level though, I don't buy these arguments that he's only done it at barca, that he's had Xavi and iniesta or that he's done nothing at the World Cup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Yes, I rate him as the best player of my lifetime, don't get me wrong Ronaldo and zidane were brilliant players, messi is on another level though, I don't buy these arguments that he's only done it at barca, that he's had Xavi and iniesta or that he's done nothing at the World CupAnd i dont get the arguement that it doesnt matter if hes not done anything with argentina To be considerd a great surely you have to have been 'great' for both club and country not just in the spanish league Edited July 4, 2015 by YGabbana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 well the arguments are looking a bit convincing at the moment, this will be 2 World Cups and 3 Copa Americas now he has failed to really put his stamp on (World Cup GOlden Ball was a farce) The problem I have with Messi is he is built into the Barcelona philosophy and he never actually looks like he is enjoying himself which is why I dont really like him. He has all the talent but he makes football look like a job unlike ROnaldinho who always looked like he enjoyed himself on the pitch and was having fun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Messi is the best player ever. Yes he hasn't had a great world cup but what he does on a football field no one has ever come close. Anyway the champions league is the yardstick these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 well the arguments are looking a bit convincing at the moment, this will be 2 World Cups and 3 Copa Americas now he has failed to really put his stamp on (World Cup GOlden Ball was a farce) The problem I have with Messi is he is built into the Barcelona philosophy and he never actually looks like he is enjoying himself which is why I dont really like him. He has all the talent but he makes football look like a job unlike ROnaldinho who always looked like he enjoyed himself on the pitch and was having fun Not performed at 2 world cups and 3 copa americas, compare that to brazilian ronaldos record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Messi is the best player ever. Yes he hasn't had a great world cup but what he does on a football field no one has ever come close. Anyway the champions league is the yardstick these days. The world cup is always the yardstick and he hasnt done much on the field in thr competition and this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 It should go down to having some god awful managers rather than him not being good though, he's played in some right car crashes Argentina can't get the balance of their 2 world class strikers and 2/3 very good strikers right Aguero hasn't done much either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Well the champions league is the highest standard of football. Messi is not perfect but for Barcelona he is god. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 It should go down to having some god awful managers rather than him not being good though, he's played in some right car crashes Argentina can't get the balance of their 2 world class strikers and 2/3 very good strikers right Aguero hasn't done much either If hes as good as you say, what difference does the manager make. What a strange comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Messi is the best player ever. Yes he hasn't had a great world cup but what he does on a football field no one has ever come close. Anyway the champions league is the yardstick these days. is it though? In Argentina they dont care about Champions League, he is rated 3rd by a lot of old time journalists in Argentinian players of all time after Diego and Di Stefano Edited July 4, 2015 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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