ml1dch Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jareth said: This ignores the trend of political allegiance - under 40s are not dyed in the wool of any party - they want to be inspired by a message. As an under 40, I'll take sensible policy ideas, basic administrative competence and coherent strategy over "inspired by a message" thankyouverymuch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Well, presumably it just comes down to (without wanting to sound too Primary school) who started it. You'll have to explain why Laura Murray felt the need to leap in, unprompted to something that didn't relate to her and (allegedly) libel someone. To be honest, everyone involved strikes me as just needing a good clip round the ear, but I don't think there would have been lawyers involved anywhere if some angry people hadn't decided they wanted to be a bunch of dicks to somebody on the internet. An argument costs nothing. But you can ruin someone through the costs of a legal case - this is what they did, intentionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: As an under 40, I'll take sensible policy ideas, basic administrative competence and coherent strategy over "inspired by a message" thankyouverymuch. Did you vote Labour last election? Most under 40s did, by a large majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: Did you vote Labour last election? Most under 40s did, by a large majority. No. I voted for the party most likely to prevent a Conservative candidate winning, and succeeded in that goal. Edited August 7, 2020 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jareth said: An argument costs nothing. But you can ruin someone through the costs of a legal case - this is what they did, intentionally. Well, while still taking in the parameters of the Murray case, maybe don't (allegedly) libel people. And then nobody gets ruined by the costs of a legal case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: Did you vote Labour last election? Most under 40s did, by a large majority. You may want to reword that. Try most under 40s didn’t vote tory by a large majority. Under 40s that voted, voted labour by a small majority over other parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, bickster said: Sorry, excuse me wilst I pick myself up off the floor and stitch my sides From Cobynista to lib Dem is one hell of mental vote swing just because "I don't like the other half of the party". One sniff of the sweaty sock of power and they'll be buying all the odour eaters £50 can buy For me it's always been about genuinely exciting progressive policies. A vision for how to progress the world through some major challenges. I was on board with Jeremy Corbyn because he was the only one at the time who recognised these challenges and had proposed solutions for them. If that makes me a Corbynista then so be it. Labour are currently rowing back on all these policies while Layla Moran is saying the same kind of things Corbyn was. Saying we need UBI, 4 day weeks, the environment emergency being front and centre. If Lib Dems are saying these things and Labour aren't, why wouldn't anyone just follow the policies away from Labour to Lib Dems? Or are you saying people should be blindly loyal to a party no matter how the policies change? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, ml1dch said: No. I voted for the party most likely to prevent a Conservative candidate winning, and succeeded in that goal. Great - your local MP is powerless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Well, while still taking in the parameters of the Murray case, maybe don't (allegedly) libel people. And then nobody gets ruined by the costs of a legal case. The people pursued by Riley/Oberman got ruined - regardless of the rights or wrongs, at no jeopardy to Riley/Oberman. You can't spin that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Seat68 said: You may want to reword that. Try most under 40s didn’t vote tory by a large majority. Under 40s that voted, voted labour by a small majority over other parties. Also FFS - don't do a Trump when it comes to facts. Edited August 7, 2020 by Jareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: Now with graphs. 156% of 300%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 7, 2020 32 minutes ago, Jareth said: This ignores the trend of political allegiance - under 40s are not dyed in the wool of any party - they want to be inspired by a message. To say that these voters will betray their instincts for power is frankly out of touch, by some measure. It's the voters that will be betrayed by the Lib Dems, it's not like they don't have form for this stretching back as far as I've had an intest in politics I'm not dyed in the wool of any party, far from it as my bolitics posts will tell you I just find a swing from Corbyn to a party that very recently propped up a Tory Govt and sold its soul to the devil (again!) quite hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, Seat68 said: Now with graphs. 156% of 300%. How does that translate to the system of first past the post? You know, the system that elects parties to government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jareth said: Great - your local MP is powerless. Well, yes. Most of them are. If "proximity to power of my representative" were my main concern, I'd have been better off voting for the Conservative candidate. Would that have been better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jareth said: Great - your local MP is powerless. SO he should have voted Tory to get an MP that had some power? No sure if serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, bickster said: It's the voters that will be betrayed by the Lib Dems, it's not like they don't have form for this stretching back as far as I've had an intest in politics I'm not dyed in the wool of any party, far from it as my bolitics posts will tell you I just find a swing from Corbyn to a party that very recently propped up a Tory Govt and sold its soul to the devil (again!) quite hilarious I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be a dick - they certainly have a past, but things change, truly progressive policies are the future and for me it's a matter of who is willing to pursue them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Jareth said: How does that translate to the system of first past the post? You know, the system that elects parties to government? I was merely working off what you said that most over 40s voted labour by a large majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, Seat68 said: I was merely working off what you said that most over 40s voted labour by a large majority. Ok - I said under, not over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Jareth said: Ok - I said under, not over? Yeah my error. But the message, you get that. It was a majority without question but as I said in the very first response, if you had said tories then it would be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jareth said: truly progressive policies are the future What that has to do with the Lib Dems is far beyond my powers of understanding Wet Tories in school teachers clothes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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