WhatAboutTheFinish

Based on what?

Just part of the tactics that groups like the BNP and others use. Take a visible, loud demonstration by a group of people who can be represented as extreme (in this case, they seem to support the introduction of Sharia law to the UK). Ignore the specific reason for the demonstration (something to do with police action against one of their number?). Present the group as posing a threat to "us", and also as being representative of a far wider group of people. Use this to stir up first uncertainty, then concern, fear and if possible anger against the wider group. Light blue touchpaper, and retire. As opposed to do nothing, do not light blue touch paper and retire anyway?

^ WTF did I just watch?!

In the Mirror, so no surprise that that tawdry rag is using the death of somebody who was clearly mentally unstable to push its own agenda. What sickens me is the Duncan Smith line about this death being a mental health issue, plain and simple. As though the evident distress caused to her by his spiteful and vindictive policy played no part in her death, and it would have happened anyway. A shabby lie, because he can't face the truth of what he's doing to people in this country. Cowardly, lying, dishonourable, and shameless. Beyond contempt. Pete you know I like you but wind your neck in. If you kill yourself over 20 quid a week you do have mental health issues.

Now you've gone and made whatever we finally get a huge anti-climax!

I hoping that Cardiff City's recent success, open top bus parade and the fact they've been plastered over the back pages of the Welsh media might just give Swansea the bite needed to go out and remind everybody that they are still the best team in South Wales. I'm calling a Swansea win.

I used to really love Lions tours but I can't help but feel they are a bit of an irrelavence in the modern game. We hear all this talk about building for the world cup but we can still take the time to break all preparations for a self congratulatory, back slapping tour of Australia. And if I hear one more player say that representing the Lions is 'the highest honour in the game', I might throw my TV through the window...being a World Champion is the highest honour in the game! Having said all that...the nearer the time comes I can feel myself getting a little more excited. I'm sure Robshaw will have been disappointed but it is hard to argue with the back row selection. The choice of captain for me was a surprise because I don't think (and I should declare myself as Welsh at this point) that Warbuton is a guaranteed starter in the test team...he's not even the best open side in Wales on current form. Agree that this is probably the best opportunity for a Lions tour victory in a long time and I'm going to stick my neck out and say that they should look comfortable in doing so.

I can't help but smile at how the subject of immigration suddenly makes socialists start decrying government interference in social planning issues and resorting to arguments of free market supply and demand to make their point!

No. Great, so we can all agree that there is a limit. The only thing we need to discuss is what that limit should be, how it should be enforced and who is best placed to enforce it...right?

Do we really have people on here suggesting that the island of Great Britain can sustain an infinite population?

How many of the 10% you know vote UKIP? Racism is not a problem confined to one political party so in my opinion we should be very careful about ceding the moral high ground to the major parties who are playing the race card because they don't want to hightlight the absurdity of some of their own (or the EU's) policy decisions. They are a party to ridicule because they are right wing? Really Jon? What should we do send them to the Gulag? If, as you suggest, the debate can be had focussed on the policies and subsequently the party collapses...great! That is democracy. Picking out a few things that individuals have written on Facebook 5 years ago is not the level of debate we should be having.

I find it quite strange that someone with an interest in the wellbeing and fortunes of our Finnish brethren would strike up a defence of UKIP. You are right! You would have thought that a guy who has spent the last 10+ years living and working in various European countries with, as you rightly mention, a very strong affection for certain nations and their citizens would not be an obvious defender of UKIP...and in a way I don't want to be! The fact is that they must (according to opinion polls) have some policies that appeal to a large number of people. This should warrant more respect and debate than dismissing them as extrememists. More than 10% of the population is not extreme but mainstream. The sad thing I find is that none of the major parties can form a coherant and believable message to counter UKIP's claims, they are resorting to trawling through facebook to try to discredit them.

I'd back that sentiment.

Racist blah blah nutter blah blah facist blah blah lunatic blah...Yawwwwwwwwnnnn!! The smugness and self superiority coming from this thread is quite something. Although not a UKIP supporter, I think it a little rich to dismiss over 10% of the population (according to polls) as 'racist, far right nutters who support policies of utter crap'.

And they say Americans don't do irony. Haha! MI6 and CIA Intelligence suggests that President Ahmadinejad is able to mobilise his pressure cooker within 40 minutes.

Not sure my heart would survive 2 such important games in the span of a week or so. Imagine winning the last game in the league against Wigan to force a playoff only to lose it at Wembley... Be warned that head to head record doesn't count either so the scenario isn't that obscure!

There would be a play-off match at a neutral venue if all things were equal...might get a trip to Wembley after all!!

Why are we debating Mandela? He was a terrorist! Now you can argue about whether his cause was justified or not, but surely to call a guy who was responsible for leading a campaign of violence and bombings against both governmental and civilian targets 'a terrorist' isn't really beyond the pale?

Does anyone know what kind of numbers they are expecting to be on the streets (either in support or in protest) fo this event? Surely most people will be in work at 11 on a Wednesday morning? Anyone here using their holiday entitlement to go?

Whilst the rhetoric of this statement might sound 'right on' there is absolutely nothing to support this notion. Your use of quotations marks around efficiency gains detracts from the reality that the nationalised industries were, in the main, remarkably inefficient, operating at a loss and propped up by premiums added to bills and the tax payer. The fact is in 1975 the UK consumer was paying more for their electricity and gas than any other Western European country, today it pays the least.

I hope she has found peace. Undoubtedly one of the greatest statesmen (statesperson?) the country has produced over the last 100 hundred years.

When I was an angry young man I went through a phase of boycotting McDonalds due to their alleged links with the IRA but that is the only active refusal to use a specific company I've ever made. I had a friend back in school whose Dad I remember would to refuse to buy certain brands (Sharp, Crown Paints) if they sponsored a football team he didn't like.

There's a moment in Toy Story 3 when they are scrambling to get out of the incinerator and Buzz gives a little 'let's accept our fate with dignity' look and takes Jessie by the hand... that brought a tear to my eye! I don't know why? It's a kid's movie, pretty obvious they weren't all going to die!!

My fave evening at the Villa...

I guess it applies to selling chocolate! Similarly the Porsche 911 was originally sold as the 901 but was forced to change as Peugeot had a trademark on all 3 digit numbers where the middle digit was 0.