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It doesn't change anything for me getting a result against a very disinterested Hull. He needs to be sacked.

Hull weren't really interested today and we capitalised on that. So relieved we are now safe but hopefully the work now begins at the club from top to bottom to make sure that next season we won't have to endure the absolute tripe on and off the pitch again. New owners and Lambert gone. Then we can move forward.

Damed if he does, damed if he doesnt eh? Damned if he doesn't what? Were talking about an article where he's basically complaining about pressure and we don't know how hard he works etc etc, like hes pleading with the thousands now singing we want lambert out every week. For me theres a clear change in lambert's attitude in pressers, why is debatable but its definitely there imo. Imagine if it was a case of 35,000 plus demanding we want Cliffy Biro out. Do you see where I am coming from with this? I have nothing against you personally but surely you can see that this must hurt. Lambo's okay & he's a fine man. He has tried his best in really difficult circumstances & he really deserves credit, as do those posters on VT who recognise this fact. Name me one Premiership club who would credit their manager with Lambert's record.

Exactly. Even people that aren't happy with Lambert at all are getting accused of being "Lambert lovers" purely because they're not 100% negative with their views on him. It's a symptom of the black and white approach that seems to pervade certain discussions about Villa. Forgetting of course the black and white approach when we were mid table.

Lap of appreciation for the players or fans? After this season the players should kneel with bowed heads in the centre circle and honour us for the shit football we have had to endure. There will be no appreciation from me.

I thought it had been posted and confirmed elsewhere that the wage bill has actually gone up? Can someone confirm this once and for all.

With Bent coming back absolutely no chance of this happening.

Reported in The Sun that Lambert has handed Lerner a three man wish list of Lescott who is a free agent in the summer, Javier Hernandez and Holtby. It's probably bullshit as Lambert is not exactly in a position of strength to demand anything other than beg to be kept in a job.

Waiting to see what happens to the manager. Just can't stomach watching anymore of Lambert's football no matter how much I love the club and it will be my own little protest.

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Just a thought on the reason why we've gone from playing some good football at the tail end of last season back to the awful football played at the start of last season. It wouldn't be anything to do with the reasons why two of our coaches are now on permanent gardening leave?

Even if that were so that remit didn't come down to specific choice of player. That was up to Lambert and he has got that badly wrong. I've also read somewhere else on site that our wages have gone up and there didn't seem to be much of remit on the improved contracts of of Benteke or Weimann either. I'm not saying that he has had perfect conditions to work under but he has made a shit load of mistakes which has left the club in a worse position playing wise than even under Mcdope and that is unforgivable in my book.

To HeyAnty Is he or is he not the manager? Does the manager buy and sell players?

No it isn't really as simple as that. It was Lambert's choice was it not to strip the team of experience players and then form the bomb squad with those players making them worthless to prospective buyers. It was his choice was it not to then replace those players with lower league or players from europe not used to playing in the Premiership. It was his choice was it not to to bring in Tonev, Kozak, Helenius, Bowery, Bennett, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Steer, when we already had Albrighton, Bent, Weimann, Lichaj, Delfouneso, Bannan, Given and would we not have been better off by keeping Collins and paring him with Vlaar. He could have also used one or two of our better youngsters as squad fillers. No-one is going to make me accept that one set of those players are better than the other. Yes wages. But are we not still paying the wages of some of those players with Bent back in the summer so what difference would it have made. He has substituted in the main average to good Premiership experience with just average championship players and you wonder why we have struggled so badly under him. Given that those new players needed all the help they could get he then, if rumours are correct, presided over bullying tactics by his appointed coaches in training and you then wonder again why those players have been playing without motivation and confidence. Might we also consider the constant changes in system which Lambert has presided over because his many blunders in the transfer market couldn't produce the required level of football to get decent consistent results in the Premiership. And just maybe we should consider that finally he realised the error of his ways last January by targeting more experience but after wasting most of his limited budget on absolute shite, the same shite who he doesn't want to play in the team anymore, he didn't have the budget to bring that experience back into the team again. No it isn't as simple as no other manager couldn't have done any better under the circumstances as it is quite possible is it not that another more savy manager wouldn't have made the same mistakes as Lambert.

This is feeling like the same sort of build up we had to the Sunderland game last season when it really was a must win. I hope we can get the same response from the team against Hull but we don't have Benteke and I don't think the manager can motivate the players anymore.

Not that i think it's going to happen but does anyone think fore shortening Moyes holiday to bring him in now before the game against Hull would give everyone a lift?

Think you need to assess who it it you support, lambert or villa. What you should do is contact lambert and see if he'll take you on as his number 2(in his next job) because you both talk nonsense!! I think you'll find that there are currently about 35,000 fans behaving like number two's at the moment. Leave the guy alone & give him a break. Like every Villa fan on VT I support Aston Villa. I eat, breath & sleep the club. Villa are my raison d' etre. Just accept we all have different opinions & nobody ultimately is gonna change 'em. Thats more than fair villa- revolution and we shall all get behind the team against Hull to try and push the club to safety and leave the difference of opinion for another day.

Yet those who have come out against Lambert have been right.

One or two hints on the new Bells site that something might be happening with Lambert tomorrow in their Lambert thread. Can't see it at all and why would they sack him now with our most important game of the season coming up.

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Yes very worrying given the fact they will have their kids with them , could be a difficult situation If we lose there won't be one.

Laudrup has a good knowledge of La Liga and you can pick up some very good players on the cheap there. Also Bony will be looking a steal for what ever he's paid for him. Bony is now in the same position as Benteke last season and I wonder if Swansea will cash in on him in the summer or risk the second season syndrome with a drop in value?

He should be done for negligence. Terrible manager for us with the stats to prove it.

I agree Darren. I don't think he's the root of all our problems. In fact I cannot imagine any manager doing any better in the circumstances. We need changes at the club financially which will hopefully come this summer and I for one would like to see lambert given a season without financial constraints as I think sacking him now after him keeping us safe with a championship team two seasons in a row would be a bit harsh. I know some people will point out that he signed lower league players etc but with the wage structure as it is that's about all he could do. You don't think any other manager would do better than 18 defeats in a season and who built that championship team? No personally I don't. With that wage structure in place I think he's done about as well as he could without pulling up trees Lambert has already stated that there was no embargo on higher wages within reason. If there had been then neither Benteke or Weimann would have have been given the contracts they are now on. I just believe that no matter what stat, current placement or bad record put forward those who still think Lambert's project has been a success will continue to be in denial even if he is sacked.

Yet would he have the same type of result record that Lambert has accumulated with us? Also you have missed my point in that I'm not saying we should have Pulis as our manager but it was more as a comparison in what a manager can do with better organisational skills, particularly in defence when faced with limited players and a limited budget. It is a valid comparison when challenging those who say that another manager faced with the same restrictions as Lambert couldn't have achieved better.