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Jesus Chris. We have a very solid asset in Targett, one on a long contract and with clear ability. A solid premier league player in questionably one of the more difficult positions to fill for any team. He will not play 1st team football at Villa, and we have solid back up to Digne in Young. So we either stick Targett on the bench, OR, let him play football. If he plays football, he will be better, and he can; 1. Challenge Digne in pre season OR 2. Get us a bigger fee should he decide to transfer. Also, he is a professional footballer who wants to play, and wants to push his career forward. He won't do that sitting on the bench. What is this load of crap about not rolling his sleeves up or not fighting for a shirt... he is doing exactly that. I would much rather have a player loaned to get minutes than one who knows he will sit on the bench. It's a win win for everyone, literally everyone involved. How can we question this?

Sure - and I don't see you throwing shit on Rogan or Oprah. Which is fair.

Haha, that wasn't my point The point was to not look at basic info and buzz words, but understand the topic to have a solid opinion on it. Hitler was bad, but it's better to understand why. As with any other topic

You can watch a video of troops parading in Berlin in 1939. That is enough. Or you can read (and understand) the entire Main Kampf. I know who has a deeper understanding of the topic.

Sure, no disagreement there. I just think that if I am going to critique anyone, I would have a deep look into primary sources.

Maybe it takes listening to racism to being able to understand what racism is. You know, learning things. But, I don't think his show is racist. I'd rather do that, than not watch it and have an opinion. That's not learning things, that's ignorance. I would happily accept "I don't watch him, so I don't know much about him, but it sounds like he is saying racist things". But this never happened. Whooppie Goldberg was discussed, about her unfortunate holocaust comment - and all of a sudden racist Rogan is brought into it. By someone who doesn't listen to him. I think that's poor discussion and buzz words.

Yeah, because I listen to his shows. You do spend a lot of time attacking this man and his views, and dont listen to his show. That's a bit more weird. In fact, you brought him into the conversation about Whoppie Goldberg for no apparent reason. Why?

1st link - Ari shafir, one of rogans best friends and a regular guest is Jewish, and they keep making fun of their heritage. Ari takes the Mick of Rogan being Italian, he takes the mick out of his Jewish background. One is a pasta eater, the other is a money grabbing banker. They are comedians and are joking around smoking weed. 2nd link - I would suggest listening to the whole thing and getting to understand the Eric Dyson story. They suggested how it's weird that we group ourselves into colours, like it makes any difference. They talk about pointless divisions and how it's stupid to point anyone's race (like Eric Dyson has done) because we are all different, and you will never meet a "white" or a "black" person - we are all different. Taking 60 second soundbites out of 3 hour shows is poor form.

Could you please describe why you think Joe Rogan tells people what to interpret as racism?

Yup, Alex Jones is full of shit. His school shooting disaster was really bad. But, even 10 years ago, he was talking about millionaires taking underage girls to islands and a secret league of pedophelia within high status people. It sound crazy. And then Epstein happened. Maybe if we paid more attention, some girls might not have been faced to sleep with royals and major firm producers? So let's critiqe the shit Alex Jones has to say, and there is a lot. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. He was with Epstein. Should there be a place for Alex Jones? I don't know if I'd invite him. But I wouldn't "cancel" him either.

I should also say, if you don't listen, don't comment on what he does or doesn't do, because you simply don't know. Unless you go off secondary sources - but we all know what the problem with these is.

I will finish this discussion on here, if you want drop me a message to further discuss. But I think you should be careful who you want to take down, because it's entirely possible one day someone will want to de-platform you, or people that you believe. Also, I take you don't listen to his podcasts. He takes in a lot of shit, but also disagrees with much his "controversial" guests are saying. For example, one said that you can't catch covid twice. That was a few weeks ago. Since then, Rogan has clarified this (and many other non truths) a number of times. He is just a pot head comedian. If you don't like him, don't listen. If you listen, don't take it as truth. It isn't.

I know, hence my edit above.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539925/ I found a million of these studies btw, all suggesting antiviral qualities of Ivermectin. That's what happens when you listen to BBC, you get misinformed. It's worth looking stuff up. Edit* I should say, and should say from the start, I don't know if Ivermectin works, my treatment would be directed by a doctor and not googling stuff. But the drug is used worldwide for its antiviral properties, although many disagree with its use.

He didn't go to Pets at Home, a qualified doctor prescribed it to him. It's an antiviral drug. Hundreds of millions of other people have also been prescribed that same drug.

No - I just say you are spreading misinformation, and you should be deplatformed. Because you know, people read this and have a skewed opinion on what really is happening. Do you see what the problem with this is?

Exactly my point

Now this is misinformation, untruth and manipulation. He invited people like Sanjay Gupta or Peter Hotez (twice) and a variety of others who are "mainstream". Why are you spreading fake news?

Well, that's a wider debate. Clickbaity/viewership driven media do lower the standards and drive political narrative. Once you leave school at 18 and spend the next 30 years getting your knowledge from a media platform, I'd say they have a big role in education. But that's off topic a bit. I'd like Rogan to tell me sky is green. I'd like to say that's BS based on research. That's education in its purest form.

100% it's used as a political tactic. So if it is, why should we allow the very same people to "fact check" and "de-platform"? I think it's dangerous for CNN or BBC or Twitter Or Boris or Trump or Biden to tell us what's true or not. Let's open up the narrative to a wide spectrum of views, and defeat the shitty ones in open debate. I would happily argue anyone who thinks vaccines are pointless. But I will also defend their right to say they are pointless, regardless of how much I disagree.

I get that and agree that responsibility should fall somewhere. But, a reasonably smart high school student should be able to call BS on half of the things they find on BBC, Fox news, CNN. Heck, just over a year ago Boris told us to not go outside other than once a day. That's misinformation in its purest form based on no science or common sense whatsoever. There is a lot of BS coming from everywhere. So education, not de-platforming should be key. Let's make people think for themselves a bit more.

Another clue - if BBC or any other major media tells me to not do something, I'm likely to find out what it is before making a decision.

I know - it's like when some people call Rogan fascist or say he takes horse medicine. Most people are somewhere in between - they say bullshit to both, 'sheeple' and 'fascist rogan'. I think it's important to find balance between the two.

I think people are reeeeaaalllly giving Rogan too much credit. The reason why he is popular (and I listen to 90% of his podcasts) is because the conversations are what you'd experience in a pub or a poker night with your mates while having too many beers. Lot's of shit talking, jokes, controversy, stuff you wouldn't say at your mum's bday party. Talks of aliens, scuba diving, dieting, the last episode I listened too was a lawyer who decided to leave the corporate world and take up fishing and discussing how to best protect the oceans. A great activist and a brave soul by all accounts. Most episodes are done while he smokes joints, he is high as a kite. It's entertainment. Spotify once said that if they censor Rogan, they should censor rappers talking about smacking their bitch up and doing drive by's. They are dangerous views and shouldn't be repeated. Does anyone talk about 'de platforming' snoop dogg? He praises Obama, votes Bernie Sanders, is pro universal basic income, he invites trans and homosexual guests, he is as liberal as they come. He never voted Republican in his life. He grew up in 1970's San Fran in the hippy community. He also invited a number of very much pro vaccine and 'mainstream' doctors to discuss the pandemic. Of course, that seems to be forgotten. Now, if anyone looks to the JRE as an 'information' show, or a place to get educated on virology or epidemiology, they are an idiot. The show is as true to the pandemic as the latest Jimmy Carr specials. So let's not make him to be some sort of a fascist alt right guru, because we will certainly miss the real ones - and he is just a high as a kite comedian talking shit. Simple as.

I wouldn't be astonished. Its January. It's harder to pick up players for obvious reasons. We also have Douglas Luiz, Marv to come back from injury, and Callum Chambers to drop there should he be needed. Its unlikely we get Europe, it's unlikely we drop. You could argue not pushing for a DM in the last 24hours is the more sensible thing to do in our situation. Yeah, we could use someobody in that role. But our season doesn't depend on it.