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I'll have you know that bit isnt true, they have been and continue to want to give them away for free to businesses and their pals to plunder, just google the amount of school property that has been transfered from piblic ownership into the shams that are academies You forgot the privatisation of the prison service that they propose to do via a similar system to how they are pushing through school privatisation, well why make your pals buy stuff that doesn't belong to you when you can give it to them., which hence would create a market and incentives to push to lock more people up, now can any one see where this could go wrong? But then the Torys have never cared for the consequences of their selfish actions, mainly because they don't effect them or their buddies in a negative way, only the plebs and they don't matter, Oh and as for why people vote for them, if you want an example that may give you some insight as to why, I once questioned a relative why? and their answer, "because I'm a posh lady" but this is the same idiot relative who claimed she welcomed privatisation of the NHS as she'd be alright as she'd get (buy) "health insurance like everyone else in the world does to pay for it", After pointing out the inaccuracy of the bold itallic bit, when i asked her if she's done any research on lets say the cost and pitfalls of the American health provision model she seemed to be alluding to, what sort of premium she would pay and if she could afford it on what she earned working part time at the bookies, funny enough she hadn't. pesonally I think she got all her info to form her opinions from a combination watching hollywood movies and the scum media.

That's not quite fair, they care vehemently about helping their wealthy buddies (and themselves) keeping as much as their accumulated wealth as they can, they care about waging a propaganda war on the poor, the sick and the disabled, they care about giving as much of the public's money they can to their chums in cheap sell offs of national assets, or through no risk outsourcing, or just making political choices that will allow their chums (and themselves) to accumulate some easy money as they take advantage of the opportunities they create for the purpose of making a quick buck. They just don't care about causing any suffering to the majority of the population, the truth, facts, justice, fairness, experts considered opinions, or spending public money on decent services for the public, oh they aslo don't care for exposing and dealing with institutionalised pedophilia within the establishment Now that's a fairer more accurate picture of the party with the ingrained sense of entitlement

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so much so that it isnt hard to find instances of private enterprise running away from contracts because they cant even provide an equivalent service as the nhs for the same cost let alone make the nice fat gauranteed profit there highly efficient private practices were hopfully going to provide, maybe those companies should targeted the benefits system like atos a4e etc, were providing substandard, pointless and/or useless services are more accepted and it could be argued encouraged and nice fat tax free profits are there for the taking, amazing when you are constantly told the private sector is always more efficient than the public sector could ever be. which reminds me outsourcin gshould be defined in the dictionary as the tory word for privatisation, usually by providing poor quality or useless services for guaranteed, usually tax free fat profits.

have to keep this in mind, could very well be fitting out a 15' x 15' kitchen sometime next year,

yes it is, just after the pacific Garden Centre and before the bridge

are those the houses being built behind W.M. Wheat & sons in Streetly?

pie is usually spot on, no difference here,

people believe all sorts of nonsense, usually because a fallacy has been created and it has been group self perpetuated and reinforced through education, peers, family the media etc, it becomes an unquestioned truth and often aggressively defended. so maybe we need to cut people who believe in an all seeing all powerful sky fairy a bit of slack until we have fully examine and throw off the fallacies we've each been duped into believing.

Don't be silly, if we are allowed intergrate and hence realise we have lots in common with each other and can all really get on and work together, next we might start believing in such nonense as society, how are they then going to keep us divided and isolated

since we are revisiting the 80's a little bit on this thread, Nice little piece on how great their decisions in the 80's were and the effects we still feel today, but then decisions made on purely dodgy ideology and for self serving reasons was always going to be a problem only a idiot could fail to see https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/06/half-of-uk-deficit-is-result-of-job-destruction-in-older-industrial-areas, Half UK budget deficit 'is down to job destruction in older industrial areas' Report finds that legacy of hollowing-out of manufacturing in 1980s is far more people claiming incapacity benefits Striking miners occupy the National Coal Board HQ in Orgreave in May 1984. Photograph: Bride Lane Library/Popperfoto/Getty Images Larry Elliott Economics editor Sunday 6 November 2016 12.00 GMTLast modified on Sunday 6 November 2016 22.00 GMT Share on LinkedIn Share on Google+ The enduring impact of closing factories and shutting coalmines in the 1980s has been revealed in new research showing that the drain on the exchequer from former industrial areas is responsible for up to half the government’s £55bn budget deficit. The legacy of leaving old industrial Britain to rot is becoming clear | Larry Elliott Read more In the first comprehensive analysis of the cost to the state of the de-industrialisation that began three decades ago, Sheffield Hallam University said the annual bill was at least £20bn and was perhaps as high as £30bn. The report found that the cumulative legacy of the hollowing-out of manufacturing and the year-long miners’ strike of 1984-85 was a far heavier concentration of people claiming incapacity benefits than in the richer parts of Britain and a more widespread use of tax credits to top up the wages of those in low-paid jobs. The report’s co-author, Prof Steve Fothergill, said: “The long-term effect of job destruction in older industrial Britain has been to park vast numbers out of the labour market on incapacity benefits, these days employment and support allowance (ESA). The cost to the Treasury is immense, especially if all the top-up benefits are included. “Added to this, low wages in these weaker local economies have jacked up spending on in-work benefits such as tax credits and reduced income tax revenue. None of these impacts have diminished over the years, despite the recent upturn and efforts to cut claimant numbers. incapacity “We estimate that the ongoing cost to the exchequer, in extra benefit spending and lost tax revenue, is at least £20bn a year, and possibly nearer £30bn. To put this another way, approaching half the current budget deficit is the result of job destruction in Britain’s older industrial areas.” The report – Jobs, Welfare and Austerity – said there was a continuous thread linking what happened to British industry in the 1980s to the welfare cuts being borne by communities in the north, Scotland and Wales today. The loss of manufacturing jobs fuelled spending on welfare benefits which in turn had added to the financial problems of successive governments and led to pressure for cuts. “The welfare reforms implemented since 2010, and strengthened since the 2015 general election, hit the poorest places hardest,” the report said. “In effect, communities in older industrial Britain are being meted out punishment in the form of welfare cuts for the destruction wrought to their industrial base.” The report comes as Theresa May’s government is coming under increasing pressure to delay cuts in disability benefits announced by the former chancellor, George Osborne, as part of his now abandoned plan to put the public finances back into the black by the end of the parliament. May has raised expectations of action to help Britain’s manufacturing heartlands by stressing the need for the country to have an industrial strategy and by emphasising the difficulties faced by working-class families in the speech made in Downing Street on the day she became prime minister. Last week Michael Fallon guaranteed 20 years of work for the BAE Systems shipyard on the Clyde when he announced that work on a new generation of warships would begin next summer. But the Sheffield Hallam study found that Scotland, along with Wales and large areas of the north of England, still bore the scars of the period in the early 1980s when high interest rates and a strong pound led to the loss of 2 million jobs and a fifth of the UK’s manufacturing capacity. Subsequent recessions in the early 1980s and the late 2000s have meant that the number of people working in industry has fallen from a peak of 8.9 million to 2.9 million over the past 50 years – a far bigger decline than in other advanced economies. The report found that the increase from 750,000 to 2.5 million in the number of people on disability-related benefits reflected hidden unemployment and that 18 of the 20 districts with the highest incapacity rates were in older industrial Britain. In Blaenau Gwent and Neath Port Talbot in South Wales, and in Glasgow, the incapacity claimant rate was 11.9%. job losses In areas where the local economy was strong, there were much lower incapacity claimant rates. Only one London borough, Islington, featured in the top 100, with only four other districts in the south-east featuring, all of them seaside towns. Fothergill and his co-author, Christina Beatty, said the UK spent £34bn a year on working-age incapacity benefits once housing benefits and tax credits were added to ESA. Of this, they said £10bn-£14bn was the cost of job destruction in older industrial Britain. They added that higher claimant count unemployment in the old industrial areas was costing the exchequer a further £1bn-£1.5bn a year. The study estimated that the government was also subsidising the poorly paid jobs that had replaced those lost in manufacturing in the older industrial areas to the tune of £10bn a year. Spending on tax credits exceeded £850 per head a year, double the level in southern Britain. As a result, the poorer parts of Britain were vulnerable to the freezing of non-pensioner benefits, including tax credits, which Osborne announced for the duration of the current parliament. The study estimated that the average working age adult in the older industrial regions would lose £750 a year by 2020-21, whereas the average loss in Cambridge would be £340. It added: “The Treasury has misdiagnosed high welfare spending as the result of inadequate work incentives and has too often blamed individuals for their own predicament, whereas in fact a large part of the bill is rooted in job destruction extending back decades.”

On a lighter note

Tory Mp who was in the leave camp resigns over irreconcilable differences over how the Government are going about Brexit, rather embarrassing isn't it? http://www.itv.com/news/2016-11-04/conservative-mp-stephen-phillips-resigns/ Tory MP Stephen Phillips resigns over 'irreconcilable' differences with Government Conservative MP Stephen Phillips has resigned because of "irreconcilable policy differences with the current Government". Mr Phillips campaigned for Leave in the EU referendum, but ITV News Political Correspondent Paul Brand said the MP was "exasperated" that the Government is pushing for a "hard Brexit". The Sleaford and North Hykeham MP said in a statement: "It has become clear to me over the last few months that my growing and very significant policy differences with the current Government mean that I am unable properly to represent the people who elected me. “This decision has been a difficult one and I hope that everyone will respect the fact that I have tried to act in the best interests of all of my constituents.” Mr Phillips has repeatedly called for Theresa May to reveal her Brexit plan to Parliament before beginning the formal process of leaving the European Union. His resignation comes after the High Court ruled that the prime minister must get parliamentary approval before triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to begin the formal process of leaving the EU, a decision against which the Government is appealing. Mr Phillips has previously warned against the "tyranny" of denying MPs a vote on the Government's stance in forthcoming Brexit negotiations. Last month he called for an urgent debate in the House of Commons on the matter, insisting that bypassing Parliament was "simply not an acceptable way for the executive to proceed". He told Speaker John Bercow in a letter: "I and many others did not exercise our vote in the referendum so as to restore the sovereignty of this Parliament only to see what we regarded as the tyranny of the European Union replaced by that of a Government that apparently wishes to ignore the views of the House on the most important issue facing the nation." Mr Phillips is the second Conservative MPs to resign in 10 days following the departure of Zac Goldsmith, who quit in protest at the expansion of Heathrow airport.

David Davies demonstrating he understands nothing about the Law

i'll let Ian Hislop explain something a few people have forgotten about democracy

Good knocks from Woakes and Rashid saving face for England a little, Woakes just gone from a fabulous catch.

They can **** of then. Then we could have a new banking system organised better than the one we have now which was described as, The worst possible banking system of all those available, by non other than Mervin King, The reason t is the worst possible is it's the best possible for banks and especially those in the upper echelons of banking, which is always going to be bad news for everyone else.

Meanwhile hysterical panic ensues as the slide in the pound continues,hitting an all time low against chocolate currency. http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/10/19/brexit-news-chocolate-currency-now-stronger-pound/ Brexit news: chocolate currency now stronger than the pound Source: Twitter/@radaeron

I don't think anyone answered this, but the latest I heard was a branch of a allied Saudi world renowned terrorist organisation recently bombed Yemen for the first time, A branch going by the name USNAVY I believe.

next to Hilary, Nixon was probably a boy scout.

Apparently the charity has never been audited to an appropriate standard, and it's estimated £100 billion has flowed through the foundation, unchecked and unaccounted for.

Full title is The best of kayne west (but it's still shit) I think that is wrong, its actually called' Kayne West - 50 shit songs (the best we could find of Kayne West)

well depends on who you ask, the official clinton line is it provides charitable support for thrid world countries to as mentioned by OBE, if you ask people who have delved a little deeper into what it does there are many claims that its more of a money laundering, tax evasion / buddy support network type set up, plenty out there on the subject if you care to look into some of the stuff involving the Clinton foundation and Haiti it really does begin to stink of possibly being more than a little dodgy,

On the other side I always take screen shots of any items i buy online, Ebay or Amazon marketplace especially, two examples where this has saved me the trouble of having to involve ebay or amozon are as follows. 1) bought a pair of etymotic in ear noise reduction plugs at what appeared a reasonable price, expensive enough that it didn't raise alarm bells, what i got delivered was a pair of inferior plugs that i could have bought elsewhere for about £10 cheaper. contacted the seller who first insisted i was mistaken had actually recieved etymotic plugs, when clearly i hadn't and went on to prove they were not, and had then insisted I must have confused the pricing of two different products on different listings but obviously not before they had changed their listing, So i sent them the screen shots of all the pages including the order page, Funnily enough they told me to keep the plugs and gave a full refund. i don't believe it was a deliberate or planned attempt to cheat anyone, just a case of they had mis-described the item realised and instead of admitting the error when i contacted them they decided to just see if they could hide the evidence of their mistake and hope i just accepted their explanation and wouldn't kick up a fuss . They did ask me not to report the incident to ebay, even cheekier was to ask me to give them positive feedback. so i waited until my refund arrived then reported it with copies of ll screen shots and emails. 2) bought some goods online they were described as a pair of XXXX, i ordered two pairs as it worked out substantially cheaper then buying 4 singles, I recieved only 2 off, contacted the seller who insisted their listing was for a singles one (which now made then more much expensive than i could have bought elsewhere) and i had ordered 2x this and that is what i had recieved, They provided a link as evidence of the now updated listing. once again provided a screen shot of the original listing as proof and final order page, they had even sent an email confirmation the order clearly showing 2 x 2 pairs. once again I think it was an error they were trying to hide after the fact rather than contacting me to admit they made an error in their listing. Ended up getting refund of half the order value.

Been catching up with the election, Jesus I though UK political debate was a sham and a pantomime, It's playing out like a well scripted play. The way I see it, The best way to get a lying corrupt piece of shit elected is to put a 'clearly' horrible buffoon to run against them.