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No. It's all purely semantics. You have decided to vote with your feet because you are not happy with Lerner. You believe the Club will fair better with him gone. I fully understand that & you make that perfectly clear. I am not questioning your integrity as a Villa fan. However, your terms of support (neither rightly or wrongly) are not unconditional. To underline once more this is not a criticism but merely an observation. As you state, staying away for you is actually much harder so the reality here as I see it is that by staying away you are doing your self more harm than good which is entirely your prerogative. You're clearly an intelligent and thoughtful man with the ability to reason and understand. So I guess what I was getting at is, try to extend that courtesy to everybody. Your enthusiasm is appreciated but occasionally comes across as condescending. In the words of Joe Cocker. "Please don't let me be misunderstood." Any way to any Villa fan on this site. If for whatever reason I have mistakenly given you the impression that I or any other Villa supporter for that matter is a better fan than you I apologise unreservedly & I thank don't- do- it- doug for his common sense & sagacious observations. Take a bow ddid Take a bow!

" Hi Lambo, I'm BJ10 did you get my fan mail "

No. It's all purely semantics. You have decided to vote with your feet because you are not happy with Lerner. You believe the Club will fair better with him gone. I fully understand that & you make that perfectly clear. I am not questioning your integrity as a Villa fan. However, your terms of support (neither rightly or wrongly) are not unconditional. To underline once more this is not a criticism but merely an observation. As you state, staying away for you is actually much harder so the reality here as I see it is that by staying away you are doing your self more harm than good which is entirely your prerogative.

Or to buy a season ticket. I won't be buying a season ticket until Lerner has gone. Same as with Ellis, I'm voting with my feet. No doubt that makes me "less than" in your eyes, but frankly, I couldn't care less. I love my club, I just can't see her right now. I'm doing what I think is right by her and it's not up to you to judge how I show my affection. My decision has nothing to do with Lambert. I've sat through much worse than him. Right. To start off with don't -do-doug I believe yours is a terrific post. It is not a question of anybody being a better fan than anybody else. I accept totally that people quite rightly make their own decisions & judgments as to whether they wish to purchase anything as long as they are able to afford it. What I am saying though, & this is my point, (which I am also allowed ) there are supporters who will follow the Villa unconditionally. These types of supporters are normally labelled Hard core. Then their are supporters who only become interested in attending when the product they are purchasing is giving them the satisfaction they demand. If Villa are under performing & playing poorly they hold the club to ransom & with hold their physical support. These are normally labelled `Fair Weather Fans." So. To confirm. There are hardcore Villa fans, there are fair weather Villa fans, there are Lambert lovers, there are Lambert haters, there are Lerner & Lambert lovers, there are Lerner & Lambert haters, their are Lambert lovers but Lerner haters & vice versa but ultimately every single category is an Aston Villa fan in their own right. I am not claiming anybody is a better fan than anyone else because they are not. I am merely pointing out and expressing an observation. Please people before you rush to judgement please don't deny that you have never heard of fair weather fans because every single club has them. This doesn't make them any less of a supporter. Hope that puts this particular element of the Paul Lambert debate to bed.

Or to buy a season ticket.

While I agree his goal scoring rate isn't good I don't really think its fair comparing him to players who have scored a large portion of their goals in inferior or lower leagues. Also unlike the players mentioned gabby hasn't played as a main central striker for 3/4 years. How many of the current squad have shown they're good enough to play week in week out for a team challenging top 4? Gabby has and I'd hope he's part of whatever rebuild happens this summer. BJ10 - I've actually found a post of yours that I totally agree with. Do we both need to go & consult a Doctor or a psychiatrist?

If you stuck to your idiosyncratic support of Lambert then it would be fine but your ceaseless digs at other Villa fans who fail to measure up to your standards are beyond the pale. No. It is fully justified because fans love to have a dig at Lambert even when he is being positive but they can't accept anyone having a dig at them when they are being negative. Also, the fans react emotionally, which is fine, because they, like you & me only want success for our heroes. My point remains however that those fans were/ are wrong. To their credit some have actually come on VT & held their hands up. There is nothing wrong with admitting you were wrong. Also. NB I am wrong a lot of the time too & have no problem admitting it. I firmly believe I am right on this occasion though.

As long as a Concrete Ron clearance or a Tonev shot blasts straight into the Gallagher brother's balls I'll be happy. ps - Memo to Noel & Liam - Don't look back in anger.

Sad to see any team drop except for sha.

To the 2500 Villa fans at Palace & all those who wanted Lambert out & failed to back him in his hour of need or to recognise his fabulous managerial qualities, credentials & latent potential despite injuries to key personnel scuppering his & our development I've baked a cake for you. So. Feel free to help your selves & as you can see I have already taken a slice of it too as being humble tastes great.

we know that from the start mate. Not about the Russian Billionaire/ Or have I already missed something? My source is a former player.

I will not reveal my source but I have it on good authority that Randy Lerner has had talks with both a prospective American buy out or a potential Russian oil Billionaire. It is common knowledge that it all depends on whether we stay in the premiership or not. Watch what now develops in the very near future & you will see this is right.

Once again Lambert shows his sheer genius by introducing Bowery. A player he spotted for a mere £500k. Such a brave, brave boy Mr Lambert. You live by the sword & you die by the sword & your strength & fore sight in adversity show no bounds. Fortune certainly favoured the brave today. Somebody asked earlier in the thread for Lambert to show his cojones. Unlike practically 35,000 fans recently, he has showed he not only has a huge pair, but also that he never lost his bottle. Well done to all those posters on VT who have stuck by him as yours as proven to be the sounder judgement. As for the away fans at Palace I repeat once again: "You don't know what your doing." In Lambert We Trust!

What a magnificent post & my sentiments entirely.

Yes & how he is going to save our bacon.

"At times"?????? Nice one Briny Ear. On that happy note I'm off to bed. Sweet dreams VT.

I've had a word with Centro & they have promised a number 7 bus at 3:30pm tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

I'm pretty sure Lambert would be concerned about losing fans but he owes fans who have turned their backs on him absolutely nothing & certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over them, nor should he. As stated. They haven't bought into him he hasn't bought into them. That makes them both equal as I see it. If the fans can slag Paul Lambert then the fans themselves can also be slagged. Equal rights for all surely! Your posts are really illogical and I'm sure you are posting at times for effect. Paul Lambert is an employee of Aston Villa football club. His job is to get the best results for the club and by doing so appeasing the fans. The fans may not have bought into him, but they have bought into his employers Aston Villa, the club that they support and have poured their heart and souls into. Therefore Paul lambert should care that he is losing those fans. I have no problems with anyone still wanting Paul Lambert as manager, that is their prerogative and I am happy to have a reasonable conversation about why they think he is still the right man. But I find it ridiculous that you try and blame the fans for all the down falls, yet you actually can't put forward a reasonable defence of Lambert apart from that he is being hounded out. No. I have no problem with the fans other than the fact that they & not Paul Lambert have lost the plot in recent weeks.

How about just turning up and supporting your club rather than suggesting fans be gambling fodder? He makes a good point though - it's always good to take out an insurance bet. I'll win hundreds if we go down although that's obviously one bet I don't want to win. I sincerely hope you lose Mantis & I know that's want you also sincerely want too. Balls to William Hills,

No. You are either an Aston Villa supporter unconditionally or you are not. In the great words of poster mantis to coin a phrase you can't be either black or white on this subject. There is no grey area. You decide & don't give me excuses or dress it up any other kind of way. Villa till I/we die. You better believe it.

Why can't he be plan B he isn't the same type of player. Maybe plan B was to play him as a target man with wingers? You don't know as he had hardly got going before he got injured. I also think Benteke could play off him as he has done for Belgium. We have also played loads of different systems so there's more than just one way unfortunately we are crap at most of them but that's a different argument! Not sure I can explain my point any more clearly. I think your last sentence is actually making the same point as as me (see bolded bit), so I suspect you agree with me but just don't know it. I suspect every one agrees with me but they just don't know it yet. Lambert in.

Damed if he does, damed if he doesnt eh? Damned if he doesn't what? Were talking about an article where he's basically complaining about pressure and we don't know how hard he works etc etc, like hes pleading with the thousands now singing we want lambert out every week. For me theres a clear change in lambert's attitude in pressers, why is debatable but its definitely there imo. Imagine if it was a case of 35,000 plus demanding we want Cliffy Biro out. Do you see where I am coming from with this? I have nothing against you personally but surely you can see that this must hurt. Lambo's okay & he's a fine man. He has tried his best in really difficult circumstances & he really deserves credit, as do those posters on VT who recognise this fact.

Paul Lambert insists the players do the lap of appreciation because it is for the fans. This underlines both the class & the bravery of the man. No hiding away but meeting it head on. Do the fans deserve this accolade? For loyalty? Yes. For those blaming Lambert? No. No. No. A thousand times no. Take a bow Lambert son. Take a bow!

Or maybe people have a life outside of villa? That thought probably never even crossed his mind. Because it seems totally illogical that any body would even contemplate turning their back on the club they profess to love. If you don't wish to follow the Villa keep on walking & take your criticism with you. This may be too much for you too comprehend but following the Villa is not just about buying a season ticket. Actually no. It is not beyond my comprehension. There are many world wide Villa fans on this site who would love to visit Villa park every single match to offer up their undying & fanatical support. Posters like Kwan, Crackpot Foreigner & p3te for example would jump at the chance to do this if the opportunity was right on their door step. i presume you are local but I may be mistaken. However, It appears to me that your alleged support for Aston Villa is conditional & that you are basically holding the club you purport to support to ransom. Basically it is perform to my satisfaction or I just don't want to know. Personally I think you are a closet glory hunter but if you want to come out that's fine. This is a modern world & you will be more than welcome to purchase a season ticket at Man City, Chelsea or even Wolverhampton Wanderers now that they have shown signs of life. As Bill Shankly once said, Football is more important than life or death. To me that sums up the meaning of Aston Villa FC precisely & succinctly. Viva La Revolution

I'm pretty sure Lambert would be concerned about losing fans but he owes fans who have turned their backs on him absolutely nothing & certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over them, nor should he. As stated. They haven't bought into him he hasn't bought into them. That makes them both equal as I see it. If the fans can slag Paul Lambert then the fans themselves can also be slagged. Equal rights for all surely!