Nigel Posted May 18, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2011 , Gerrard and Carra made the same mistake you just did and took that achievement as evidence he could manage one of the biggest clubs in world football. If we have been transported back to the 80s Im off down the bookies! Oh please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 18, 2011 Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2011 Fixed. Please leave red to the mods as per the forum guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 18, 2011 Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2011 , Gerrard and Carra made the same mistake you just did and took that achievement as evidence he could manage one of the biggest clubs in world football. If we have been transported back to the 80s Im off down the bookies! Oh please!They are, whether people like it or not. They've had a tough time of it for a long time but they are definitely still one of the giants of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 18, 2011 Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2011 And as for these rumours of Ancelotti. Me thinx twitter is just getting it's knickers in a twist and regurgitating the same old wishful waffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I'm sorry, but I just don't like Moyes at all. Maybe I'd change my mind if he came to Villa and brought them success. But I don't see that he did all that could be done with Everton given the players they had a few seasons back. I think it's because he can finish in good positions with a shoestring budget. Just imagine if he had a fair budget? I think that's what some of us are excited about. Im with 1959 Lion on this. Genuinely dont get it. Notoriousley slow at starting a season are Everton, havent won anything. Some dire league positions with some good ones. Spent money (just not been handed it on a plate which i give him credit for) - bought some good players as well as some bad ones. Teams/Managers have had good league positions and actually won things on less of a budget than Moyes has had. Think the media hype him up beyond belief. And who knows, he could be an absolute failure with a bigger budget. The link that he will be a good replacement for SAF is laughable imo - genuinely not that good and also seems a bit of an arsehole Who has won things on a lesser budget in the last 10 years? whats the last 10 years got to do with it? Well, a decent Premier League player can expect a career around ten years, and Moyes has been there for nine. And ten is a round figure, I'm not trying to Glaston the facts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Spending. It was always the gross that got reported, never the net. Liverpool turned over a shitload of players under Rafa. A lot of money went out and a lot came back in. The net spend was £20m a season - not a huge amount for a club like Liverpool. More than the Mancs (but only because of the Ronaldo sale), considerably less than Chelsea and more than Arsenal (who we out-performed). Remember these were the clubs we were expected to compete with. And remember we were coming from further back when Benitez arrived - he had an entire squad to rebuild Rafa won the European Cup in his first season with Gerard Houllier's players, then it all went steadily downhill. Jerzy Dudek Steve Finnan Jamie Carragher Sami Hyypiä Djimi Traoré Xabi Alonso Luis García Steven Gerrard © John Arne Riise Harry Kewell Milan Baroš Only two Rafa signings in there. So, if he had to rebuild - but he pretty much inherited an all-conquering team - how did it all go so awfully shit? That was hardly an all-conquering team. We finished fifth that season. Anyway, the stalwarts of that CL campaign were Carra and Hyypia (a partnership established by Rafa. Ged played Carra at full-back), Luis Garcia with his 5 goals (a Rafa signing), Didi Hamann (Ged signing coming to the end of his career so needed replacing) and Gerrard (obviously). Quite how we won the champions league that year, I'll never know. Any red will tell you how much better the team was that made the final again two years later. Okay, so we lost. That's football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 FFS CAN WE DISCUSS BLOODY PLOP ELSEWHERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Fixed. Please leave red to the mods as per the forum guidelines. Sorry - my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 FFS CAN WE DISCUSS BLOODY PLOP ELSEWHERE! I have to say I agree with the sentiment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I agree with Redman, I think Hodgson is limited to lower table teams. I don't think he's one to push you on from mid table to top 6/4. Which was the only reason Liverpool signed him up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 18, 2011 Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2011 Fixed. Please leave red to the mods as per the forum guidelines. Sorry - my bad. I even did you the dignity of not changing it to blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 So besides that BOF what about the content not the bloody colour of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 18, 2011 Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2011 It's off topic, and that's not my discussion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Sorry BOF but as you were a Mod I thought you would know about some rule or other about OT stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted May 18, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2011 , Gerrard and Carra made the same mistake you just did and took that achievement as evidence he could manage one of the biggest clubs in world football. If we have been transported back to the 80s Im off down the bookies! Oh please!They are, whether people like it or not. They've had a tough time of it for a long time but they are definitely still one of the giants of the game. You think they are, I dont. Liverpool are in the same bracket as Benfica, Porto, Dortmund, Lazio et al. Big clubs but not top end, 2nd tier would be an apt description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 18, 2011 Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2011 Who's the next Villa manager going to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Who's the next Villa manager going to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Who's the next Villa manager going to be... I'll throw my name into the hat. :!: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Moyes please, as I voted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Fixed. Please leave red to the mods as per the forum guidelines. Sorry - my bad. I even did you the dignity of not changing it to blue Much appreciated. If we can't agree on anything else, at least we all share a healthy dislike of the colour blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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