mockingbird_franklin Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 JPA, Our resident PFE member recently made an accusation when talking about the arsenal game that quote 40,000 Villa fans go to games like that to see the opposition. Sad, but true. so why would you be going, do you agree with JPA, or should he make an apology to us all for doubting our motives and painting us as all wanabee Arsenal fans. ps notice it says villa fans, not neutrals or arsenal fans in the villa end.
GaztonVilla Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Personally, I find the culture of oneupmanship on this site to be quite nauseating. Can we have a poll on that?
mockingbird_franklin Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 well start one if you want one.
ligs Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Not enough poll options - I don't go see Villa for the opposition, but JPA is right that some people do.
mockingbird_franklin Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 Not enough poll options - I don't go see Villa for the opposition, but JPA is right that some people do. yes Arsenal fans and neutrals. but Villa fans? there should only be two, but i'll add a third option3 could read, yes, I'm a casual gloryboy fan who can only be arsed to go when we play the big boys, and yes it's to see the opposition. the point is villa fans even casual one go to see villa play, there is a difference between going to see villa play and choosing to do it when they play one of the big clubs, and choosing to go to a villa match against one of the big boys to see the opposition. I think the former accounts for most casuals, I think the latter are a small minority. Me i'd be classed a casual (1/2 dozen games a season, not one against the bigger teams)
ligs Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Not enough poll options - I don't go see Villa for the opposition, but JPA is right that some people do. yes Arsenal fans and neutrals. but Villa fans, there should only be two, but i'll add a third Exactly, neutrals that wouldn't normally go to a Villa game if they weren't playing a team of Arse's calibre. What's your point?
mockingbird_franklin Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 Exactly, neutrals that wouldn't normally go to a Villa game if they weren't playing a team of Arse's calibre. What's your point? NEUTRALS ARE NOT VILLA FANS. read JPA's quote 40,000 VILLA FANS go to games like that to see the opposition. I questioned him and he insisted that his statement was true. I'm checking it out for him, because i don't believe any VILLA FANS, or at least not more than a handful go to see the opposition
ligs Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Ah yes, my bad. I do think it's more than a handful though, maybe 2000 or so
David-Copenhagen Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Give it up this is silly - no one here will ever fall into the catagory any way - but to an extend JPA is right - you could say though that "fans" that behave like that might not be fans after all and then you will both be right - cheer up :-)
Jon Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Totally 100% correct MF. Not true VILLA FAN would go to see Villa v Arsenal to watch Arsenal. end of story ..... as has been mentioned, "neutrals" might, but then they're not Villa fans are they, they're neutrals. I can see what JPA is trying to get at (the increased attendances for games v the big boys brings out the causal supporters) but i think he has worded his statement a little badly, IMO
mockingbird_franklin Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 I can see what JPA is trying to get at (the increased attendances for games v the big boys brings out the causal supporters) but i think he has worded his statement a little badly, IMO JPA most cetainly is neither an idiot or inarticulate. More likely it's PFE
Jon Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 what is PFE, MF? something to do with deliberate flaming?
mockingbird_franklin Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 Posting for Effect, I've actually left out the other half of his quote, which is actually more insulting to villa fans, that the 4,000 that went to old trafford only did so to see Utd. seeing as we sell out the majority of our awayday allocations this is actually harder to defens than the Arsenal bit.
irishmangiant Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 I've been to support villa at VP twice so far.. and its been to see them against the big boys ... yes thats right ... Portsmouth and Norwich this season.... So my answer is no ... the one about the bo**ocks.
JuanPabloAngel Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Explain to me in how one recent season, 28,000 went to see us play Blackburn, then 40,000 went to see us play Arsenal? Of course not all 40,000 go to see the opposition, as a lot of them fans will be season ticket holders, who don't buy a season ticket just for the Arsenal, but a fair few thousand will pick & choose games depending on the opposition. Your poll's shit, btw. You don't need to ask people why & when they go to games, you need to ask if people believe that some fans go to see the opposition as much as Villa.
mockingbird_franklin Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 no the poll's fine, It askes the question i need to know the answer to. your statement wasn't about peoples opinions as to why fans went to games, it was that 40,000 will only go to see Arsenal at our next home game. I'm seeing how true it is. seems the usual pattern is occuring make an ludicrous and dubious statement, when questioned, insist it stands then avoid any further questions and smudge the issue in defence of it, even contradicting your original statement in the process. but i must admit it's not looking good, 39,981 unaccounted for, maybe you're right, and they are too embarressed to openly admit they only go to see the opposition.
JuanPabloAngel Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 MF, tell me. Why do we get 28,000 for games against Blackburn & Pompey, yet we always get 40,000 for Arsenal, Man Utd & Liverpool, regardless of our position & form. Answer this adequately, then I'll change my opinion.
LancsVillan Posted January 26, 2005 Moderator Posted January 26, 2005 JPA 'casual' villa fans will pick the games against big clubs, it happens at the big clubs too. I could let you see the NorthWest noticeboard at work where tickets for ManUre games are offered up for nearly every game except the 'big clubs' strangely enough none ever go on there for our game! Is it to see the opposition - I think not - I think it is because they want to tsee how we compete against the better opposition, which IMO is different. Me I'm off to see the opposition next Wednesday coz they are such a big club...... ;-)
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 The only time I would waste my time watching United is to watch them all F***king burn . I would pay for a can of petrol if offered to help it along. WTF is he on about, when watching a footie game down the Villa my eyes seek out the claret and blue boyz that's it, thats why I go......I wonder what JPA's eye's seek out when he is down the game.......***t !!!
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