drat01 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 People do pick and chose which matches they go to for numerous reasons - financial. for those old enough to have kids look at the nidding heads of agreement - being pissed off with the club. regardless of your views JPA a lot of people are fed up with the way there is a lack of investment etc at the club and chose the glamour matches to spend their money on - the opposition. some people would prefer to watch good players to average ones, but they may well be villa fans There is no black and white, yes and no answer to this one. Chosing where and when you chose to spend your money doesn't make you any less of a fan. Most people who attend Villa Park are Villa fans end of story. The reasons they go there and the motivations probably somewaht varies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Why do we get 28,000 for games against Blackburn & Pompey, yet we always get 40,000 for Arsenal, Man Utd & Liverpool, regardless of our position & form. Answer this adequately, then I'll change my opinion. It may be something to do with not all people being ABLE TO AFFORD a season ticket. They have to pick and choose matches they can afford to attend. Therefore if you can afford 5-6 games a season it makes sense NOT to go to Bolton, Crystal Palace, Naarwich, Soton etc but attend to see the more exciting games. I suppose you will manage to put your spin on this but I believe it is a decent agrument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanPabloAngel Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Therefore if you can afford 5-6 games a season it makes sense NOT to go to Bolton, Crystal Palace, Naarwich, Soton etc but attend to see the more exciting games. Thanks, I'm glad we agree. So people do pick the more glamorous games to watch, like I said. I didn't say why they do it, I just said they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I suppose you will manage to put your spin on this I was right again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 No JPA, so people infers all people, look at other posters reasoning, its one of the reasons. Life isnt black and white, there are lots a=of shade s of grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanPabloAngel Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 No JPA, Quote: so people infers all people, look at other posters reasoning, its one of the reasons. Life isnt black and white, there are lots a=of shade s of grey Bloody hell, do you want me to name the 6,000 people that choose the more glamorous games, individually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Bloody hell, do you want me to name the 6,000 people that choose the more glamorous games, individually Rather you name the 40,000 you started off talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 ^^^^ lol Denis :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I have a solution, next time we play manure stand next to a entrance at the Holte end and then ask every Villa fan "Are you here to watch Manchester play today ?" and see what happens. Tell me which ward you are on in Good Hope when you get there and I am sure all on VT will get some money together for some flowers & lucosade, I suppose we can syphon some of the " Buy a player fund " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 JPA you are missing the point again. You seem to be saying that its the only reason the gates fluctuate, I said (quite rightly IMO) its one of many, or dont you agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 But its a big reason, no? Something that is seen at pretty much every club. Exeter away following one week 9,000, the following week 41 (although the capacity of the stand was 40 ... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 BW - YES bloody hell mate I thought you would have seen that I have said its ONE of the reasons. Why does this have to be so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Where did I say it was the only reason? Holidays and TV have quite a large effect as well - attendences just into the season while it is still the summer holidays are often lower, while attendences do tend to get larger as the season goes on, if there is something to play for. But, in general, your big crowds come with derbies and big games. Why would this be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 FWIW, the statement that 40,000 Villa fans come to see the opposition is wrong, but a 4,000? That might be the number of people (not fans) that come to see the big club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 and there is also the economics and the general apathy / unhapiness with the club IMO. i.e. as I said before there are lots of reasons not just one and it doesnt make you any less of a fan. I had more fun the last few days trying to convince some German guys why they need to back up their data than this, and beleive me thats no fun at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 and there is also ... the general apathy / unhapiness with the club IMO. But they'll only come back when Ellis goes, not when the Woolwich Globetrotters come in to town. Anyway, German's are a barrel of laughs. Their clothes. Their funny little 'taches. Their mullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 funny you should mention the hair styles (and no thats not a german referee) the guy I was talking to had the best mullet ever. But the point I have been trying to make is that there are vrious reasons for fluctuations in the crowd, not one as JPA was trying to make out Note: I think your 4000 was a fair comment BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 What does anyone hope to gain from this thread ???? Lets go back to slagging HDE/DOL/Sorensen/Hendrie/Barry/JLLoyd At least those arguments have substance, this is just drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think ego's have been massaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwheels Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 What does anyone hope to gain from this thread ???? Nothing. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever will be. I think ego's have been massaged Hardly. JPA made a point that was exaggerated, but ultimately has more than a grain of truth in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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