Mantis Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Spot on pacbuddies. Injuries and illnesses aren't his fault but we should have already secured another points by now to be virtually safe. Look at our record against the top 6 + Liverpool: Won 1 Drawn 1 Lost 9 That's an appalling record. Just think, if we'd had a go in all of those games we'd probably have at least 3 more points by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Getting rid of McLeish is only fixing part of the problem Until Faulkner is replaced by someone decent we are in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Black_AVFC Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 None of us are shocked really. As much as were are all proud of the young lads, there can be no defending McLeish and Peter Grant. I would excuse it if I thought that he needed to be cautious given our lack of first team players available. The reality is that he has played the same way all season, regardless of personnel. I have stated over and over that he could have the Barcelona or 1970 Brazil team and he would still set the team up the same way. I wouldn't mind so much if I thought he could grind out results at top clubs playing this way. Weird as it sounds, he had a good home record whilst at SHA yet we have one of the worst home records in living history. Villa Park was always a feared place to visit, even for 'elite' clubs. Now teams fancy their chances. Take the Swansea game for example; a squad, largely made up of Championship players, passed and outplayed us, were defensively solid, whilst attacking in numbers, and creating clear cut chances. I think McLeish was been largely 'found out' by other Premiership managers last season. He finished 9th the season before, although my SHA mate said that he was pressured by fans to play 4-4-2 and when he did they went 15 games unbeaten. Once he went back to 4-5-1 it all went downhill and he made it clear that he wasn't going to change. Can anyone clarify that??? My mate also said that Peter Grant's arrival coincided with the results going downhill. Roy Aitkin (ex Villa) was McLeish's number 2 before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Funny thing about Peter Grant is, his win percentage at Norwich was way better than McLeish's at Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2012 Getting rid of McLeish is only fixing part of the problem Until Faulkner is replaced by someone decent we are in trouble I thought you were pro-Mcleish? None of us have a clue what Faulkner does or doesnt do behind the scenes so blaming him is a bit pointless to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Lerwill Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Getting rid of McLeish is only fixing part of the problem Until Faulkner is replaced by someone decent we are in trouble I thought you were pro-Mcleish? None of us have a clue what Faulkner does or doesnt do behind the scenes so blaming him is a bit pointless to be honest. Not true. I worked there and had dealings with Faulkner. He's clearly a pretty good businessman - the club's financial reports underline that. But that's the nub of the isue i.m.o. - he's a businessman and by last year I do not believe he had the experience necessary to determine who should be the next team manager at Villa Park. Faulkner, in charge of business issues, is probably fine ... but the club need to have someone permanantly on tap who knows what they're talking of footie-wise. And that man should be listened to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-67 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Getting rid of McLeish is only fixing part of the problem Until Faulkner is replaced by someone decent we are in trouble I thought you were pro-Mcleish? None of us have a clue what Faulkner does or doesnt do behind the scenes so blaming him is a bit pointless to be honest. Not true. I worked there and had dealings with Faulkner. He's clearly a pretty good businessman - the club's financial reports underline that. But that's the nub of the isue i.m.o. - he's a businessman and by last year I do not believe he had the experience necessary to determine who should be the next team manager at Villa Park. Faulkner, in charge of business issues, is probably fine ... but the club need to have someone permanantly on tap who knows what they're talking of footie-wise. And that man should be listened to. Quite right John. Steve Stride should have been kept on for a couple of years. Graham Taylor on the board etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 How can you say Faulkner is a good businessman He's presiding over a business that's losing about 150k a day What's positive about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 The greatest business man in the world, still the needs a strong working knowledge of his product to run his business successfully. You couldn't run Apple if you knew nothing about computers. It's a pretty obvious requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Lerwill Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 How can you say Faulkner is a good businessman He's presiding over a business that's losing about 150k a day What's positive about that Yes, but the macro issues are more to do with Lerner than Faulkner. I was more referring to the business generation that Faulkner has steered through which showed up well in the last financial report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 The Macron kit deal and Genting I suppose are ok deals Nothing spectacular mind you We are lagging behind spurs who we should perhaps be on a par with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Lerwill Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 The greatest business man in the world, still the needs a strong working knowledge of his product to run his business successfully. You couldn't run Apple if you knew nothing about computers. It's a pretty obvious requirement. Quite right in theory, but Kraft bought Cadbury's and think they know better. There are some business scenarios where it is said that a professional manager can succeed, but Faulkner's move from MBNA to Villa Park did not exactly equip him for football and customer relations of the sporting type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2012 The Macron kit deal and Genting I suppose are ok deals Nothing spectacular mind you We are lagging behind spurs who we should perhaps be on a par with What? Really? A London club who 2 years ago were playing in the Champions League. We should be competing with that? It's got to be the end-goal but we're no where near Spurs in any way shape or form at the minute. From a commercial point of view and football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Youve missed the point pie When Faulkner got involved we were probably ahead of spurs as a club Certainly on a par Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Funny thing about Peter Grant is, his win percentage at Norwich was way better than McLeish's at Villa be impressive if was in Premier League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 The thing is that we are all over the place, on the pitch and off it.The way I see it though is that AVFC is a football club so sureley the first priority is the football ? meaning what happens on the pitch and what"s happening on the pitch does not look good to me.I was one of those saying that we are safe this season no matter what BUT with Wigan and Bolton winning and Blackburn suffering a minor bump I am really worried now, I dont want to see us in the Championship, but we seem to be getting closer and closer every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Villa play Spurs on last day of season. Has a manager ever been relegated 2 seasons in a row by same team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2012 Youve missed the point pie When Faulkner got involved we were probably ahead of spurs as a club Certainly on a par Just out of curiosity, what year did PF get involved? I'd imagine when he did our outgoings compared to incoming were a hell of a lot higher then Spurs'. Which is why we're in the mess we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Villa play Spurs on last day of season. Has a manager ever been relegated 2 seasons in a row by same team? No we don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hercs23 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I really dont want mcleish here next season if he left it would be a massive boost for next season but if he was not going to be sacked then i would want the board to come out as soon as the season finishes and say he is staying. I really hope he goes though, a new manager would be so exciting for next season. Championship or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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