maqroll Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Surely a lock for the seleção job...which would be a tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 53 minutes ago, maqroll said: Surely a lock for the seleção job...which would be a tragedy. Mourinho is way above this Brazil squad. They be lucky to have him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 A five year contract at Newcastle, he’ll win them a trophy then get sacked after 2 and a bit seasons for upsetting the chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Wrong or right about the referee's performance he really embarrassed himself waiting for Andrew Taylor in that garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 34 minutes ago, NoelVilla said: Wrong or right about the referee's performance he really embarrassed himself waiting for Andrew Taylor in that garage. Yeah I think ever since his Madrid run - and then especially his United run - he seems more irritated at football than anything. When he was younger, it was funny and brash, but now that he's older - it's just the temper tantrums of a grown man. For all of their histrionics on the pitch, Pep and Klopp and Unai (I'm leaving out Arteta for now - the ass) are usually pretty toned down once the match is over whereas Mourinho keeps on carrying his tantrum afterwards. It's easy to forget that Mourinho is older than all of them. Really no way for a 60 year old to act. Edited January 17 by DJBOB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Apparently Roma fans are furious he has gone and thats why De Rossi is in charge now to calm fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 23 hours ago, Genie said: The people that say Jose hasn’t evolved, can they please confirm what that means specifically? What was it about the strategies, tactics and technology he used to use which he isn’t any more? His teams don't really press with any efficiency imo. Seems to be a tendency of someone like Matic following him around. Good DM in his time but his legs had gone in his second season at Man. United yet was still getting played every week. At Spurs one of his first signings was Hojbjerg, again good player but of that type and as soon as Postacoglu comes in he goes to the bench and only playing now as Spurs are missing Bissouma and Sarr at same time. It's genuinely a bit like watching a Steve Bruce team and waiting for a forward to come up with "a moment of magic" to get them the win. Most of Roma's wins this season have been with Dybala being the difference (Lukaku has been pretty rubbish so far). As said that Chelsea midfield with all of Ballack-Essien-Lampard was a monster that could steamroller opponents and then he had a very good one at Real Madrid aswell. Edited January 17 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) Yeah - the Steve Bruce comparison is apt and you can ask a lot of the United and Spurs fans and they'll answer similarly. It was all very dull and hard to watch...which is fine if you're getting results, but every team and coach is more advanced now (with the exception of your Gerrard and the likes). Look how much trouble an expert tactician like Unai is having breaking teams down and Jose was trying to do it with maybe only 4 attackers at points. Everyone got a lot better and Jose stayed the same...which was fine when he had the best midfield and defense in the league but not so good when he had to deliver with less than the best. Edited January 17 by DJBOB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLVillan Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 What gets overlooked is that the success of any team isn't just about the manager/coach. Yes, they will always be the fall guy when things go wrong and rightly so, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken . Had Mourinho had the same level of players from his first Chelski stint at ManUre, Spurs or Roma he would have won (even) more trophies. The fact that he won trophies at ManUre and Roma with lower-standard players indicates that he can actually coach. There are very few coaches in the world that can say they've been more successful in terms of silverware, even in the last ten years when he's apparently been in decline... A successful team is the ideal combination of very good players and a very good coach. A good coach can elevate poor players to a certain degree but there's a ceiling. Pep wouldn't win the league with Brentford's players. Lewis Hamilton wouldn't win Formula One races in a Vauxhall Astra. And then you can have a poor coach who will soon get decent players playing like Steven Gerrard's Aston Villa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 23 minutes ago, FLVillan said: What gets overlooked is that the success of any team isn't just about the manager/coach. Yes, they will always be the fall guy when things go wrong and rightly so, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken . Had Mourinho had the same level of players from his first Chelski stint at ManUre, Spurs or Roma he would have won (even) more trophies. The fact that he won trophies at ManUre and Roma with lower-standard players indicates that he can actually coach. There are very few coaches in the world that can say they've been more successful in terms of silverware, even in the last ten years when he's apparently been in decline... A successful team is the ideal combination of very good players and a very good coach. A good coach can elevate poor players to a certain degree but there's a ceiling. Pep wouldn't win the league with Brentford's players. Lewis Hamilton wouldn't win Formula One races in a Vauxhall Astra. And then you can have a poor coach who will soon get decent players playing like Steven Gerrard's Aston Villa. I think while true - Mourinho was underperforming after United. He was and is clearly still a really good tournament manager. But his talent ID went out the window and as others have said, hanged onto players like Matic and Lukaku and some other comfortable players for him. Hes had an amazing career and countless trophies but I think he’s probably off to national team now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 5 hours ago, FLVillan said: Pep wouldn't win the league with Brentford's players. Lewis Hamilton wouldn't win Formula One races in a Vauxhall Astra. Or a Mercedes F1 car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 7 hours ago, FLVillan said: Pep wouldn't win the league with Brentford's players. Lewis Hamilton wouldn't win Formula One races in a Vauxhall Astra. He’d probably win the wet races Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 17/01/2024 at 07:14, Zatman said: Mourinho is way above this Brazil squad. They be lucky to have him This was posted yesterday and not 10 years ago. Surprising. He's been pretty average to bad for a long time. The young charismatic tactician that got people to run through brick walls for him is long gone. He's a worn out bitter man , about as inspiring as tuna pasta bake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 23 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: This was posted yesterday and not 10 years ago. Surprising. He's been pretty average to bad for a long time. The young charismatic tactician that got people to run through brick walls for him is long gone. He's a worn out bitter man , about as inspiring as tuna pasta bake. yet Brazil are playing Bruno, Fred and Joelinton Hardly Jogo Bonito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Joelinton is pretty much his ideal midfield player. He'll wait to see if the Portugal job comes up from August. If not he'll probably take another club job for a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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