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3 hours ago, tomav84 said:

so had a play on the betfred terminals today...honestly they're so slow and clunky i'm just going to work my way through the online bookies till i get restricted from the lot. really not worth the hassle! oh and there's max stakes too - limted to around £50 e/w on one that i tried. thought i'll just do a bit on one machine and a bit on another...nope, they've got that sussed.

Just think outside of the box a bit more. 😉

(Obviously it's not worth all the hassle unless you know what you're backing is going to have a strong chance to deliver a return).

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bit of an update for anyone interested. the in shop betfred terminals didn't work for me as when i get there just after opening there were no prices available yet (i'll use them at the weekend though as i'll get there later). however, what's interesting is that i asked the cashier about them and he basically was like "it's a separate company, nothing to do with me" which tells me you can use them all you like and you wont get restricted

i've been writing out my bets using the old school betting slips every day, putting 100s across the counter and getting plenty back too. not been asked for ID or anything...YET!

oh also, 3 meetings a day in shop are best odds guaranteed from time of shop opening (or from midday for evening meetings)

so far so good. on a side note, nice to see the high street bookie is still popular. even at 8am i've never been the only one in there, seem like there's a good number of regulars that frequent it

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2 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

Went to Happy Valley meeting in Hong Kong this evening. Fantastic track, thoroughly recommended for anyone visiting.

that name brings a shiver down my spine...seem to recall it was pretty much the only racing that continued through COVID (or at least was the first to return) and I lost a load of cash on it through boredom betting!

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4 hours ago, tomav84 said:

that name brings a shiver down my spine...seem to recall it was pretty much the only racing that continued through COVID (or at least was the first to return) and I lost a load of cash on it through boredom betting!

Entry is still free following covid.

Think it only goes back up next year.

Regardless...any tips for next Wednesday welcome :cheers:

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4 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

Entry is still free following covid.

Think it only goes back up next year.

Regardless...any tips for next Wednesday welcome :cheers:

ha you're definitely asking the wrong person there! i don't touch international racing anymore i'm afraid

really good that it's free entry...does it get busy? bet it's popular

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9 hours ago, tomav84 said:

that name brings a shiver down my spine...seem to recall it was pretty much the only racing that continued through COVID (or at least was the first to return) and I lost a load of cash on it through boredom betting!

I must say, In all my years of punting, I don't and nor have I ever bet on races in places like Sha Tin, Baden Baden, Happy Valley, Roscommon, Santa Anita etc. 

I think I'd find more satisfaction giving £10 to a local smackhead than ever placing a bet betting on these meetings.

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1 hour ago, tomav84 said:

ha you're definitely asking the wrong person there! i don't touch international racing anymore i'm afraid

really good that it's free entry...does it get busy? bet it's popular

It felt absolutely packed.

Tough to guage but I'd guess around 20,000? Full capacity is 60,000. There's loads of corporate boxes that had people in them but probably weren't full. It's so easy to get to, being near town, and costs about 50p on the tram. Great gaff.

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22 hours ago, tomav84 said:

bit of an update for anyone interested. the in shop betfred terminals didn't work for me as when i get there just after opening there were no prices available yet (i'll use them at the weekend though as i'll get there later). however, what's interesting is that i asked the cashier about them and he basically was like "it's a separate company, nothing to do with me" which tells me you can use them all you like and you wont get restricted

The company is Playtech who supply their terminals but I don't think all bookies work with them (playtech) though but I might be wrong. For example, I know that WilliamHill can still see/get notified of what you're trying to do on their SSBT's.

Attempted to stick a wedge on once in WH on a team finishing the league in a certain position. Definately going to finish higher than their odds let on (and they did in the end).

Counter wouldn't take the original stake bet and said maximum £50. I said I'll leave it. I tried putting the bet on, on the SSBT instead. Went to place the bet and a timer cursor was on the screen for ages.. after what felt like 5 minutes (probably 40 seconds) before it came back refusing the stake and displayed maximum bet £50.

I wonder how the SSBT's in Betfred will behave when you try and stick a large bet on, on a certain market!   🤨

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5 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

I wonder how the SSBT's in Betfred will behave when you try and stick a large bet on, on a certain market!   🤨

well it wouldn't take £40 each way on a horse i can tell you that much. i very much got the impression from the guys behind the counter that they don't really care what happens through the bet terminals and i've been putting similar sized bets over the counter this week no problem. hopefully it lasts!

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30 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

well it wouldn't take £40 each way on a horse i can tell you that much. i very much got the impression from the guys behind the counter that they don't really care what happens through the bet terminals and i've been putting similar sized bets over the counter this week no problem. hopefully it lasts!

It always will do while you're giving it to them.

Just wait till you start taking double the amount back off them, see if they're still smiling.  B)

Edit:  I suppose what I'm describing is that if you're always winning considersbly (possibly working on insider knowledge, or other reasons I won't mention here) and collecting more than you're always putting on, that's when the fun begins.

So, ways round this would be 'cold bets' to eliminate any scent.

Relatively speaking though, us average Joe punters should be okay.   :D

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8 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

It always will do while you're giving it to them.

Just wait till you start taking double the amount back off them, see if they're still smiling.  B)

Edit:  I suppose what I'm describing is that if you're always winning considersbly (possibly working on insider knowledge, or other reasons I won't mention here) and collecting more than you're always putting on, that's when the fun begins.

So, ways round this would be 'cold bets' to eliminate any scent.

Relatively speaking though, us average Joe punters should be okay.   :D

thing is that i put bets on in the morning and settle them on my way home. so i give one guy my money and take the winnings off another guy. all cash. so how would they track what i'm doing? do they have CCTV photos of punters who are doing well behind the counter? genuine question, this is the first time i've really used betting shops

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36 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

well it wouldn't take £40 each way on a horse i can tell you that much. i very much got the impression from the guys behind the counter that they don't really care what happens through the bet terminals

Suprise suprise.

From what you described how they worded it with you it certainly made it sound like they were a "seperate entity" and nothing to do with them, kind of stance. 

When the shit goes wrong on the terminals it will no doubt again be met with "Nothing to do with us".

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12 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

thing is that i put bets on in the morning and settle them on my way home. so i give one guy my money and take the winnings off another guy. all cash. so how would they track what i'm doing? do they have CCTV photos of punters who are doing well behind the counter? genuine question, this is the first time i've really used betting shops

It would be from sitting in the shop most of the afternoon during the race meetings and betting on consecutive races one after another and always win and collecting considerable amounts.

Again, unless you've swallowed a horse shoe or working from insider knowldge, you should be relatively okay without raising suspicions and what your stakes and betting patterns are.

I dare say CCTV is used to capture you and watch you if you're doing the above and going from shop to shop doing it, or any other illegal purpose to keep your mugshot on their wanted list.

 

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21 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

this is the first time i've really used betting shops

This is why years ago betting shops were 'better' as you had none of this online gambling shite, there were no screens in shops. Just speakers, a tannoy system, a wee guy "marking the board" which was a 30ft x20ft wall full of sheets of details and prices for the next race. The place would be a sea of smoke and rolled up losing betting slips all over the floor.

It was none of this carpeted tea and biscuits casino feel filled with screens like you witness when you walk into a bookmakers nowadays.

It was better as there was no CCTV.. No gamble aware, no get out the shop you're winning too much,  nothing was computerised, your bet slips consisted of 2 parts duplicate paper and stamped by a time machine at the bottom when placed - the 2nd part of the bet slipped was torn off and given to you.

You could get away with all sorts back then and it's those tactics now that some employ still to this day to get round the red tape the bookmakers forever keep putting in the way of successful punters.

 

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