General Election 2017

[darrenm]

4 hours ago, Awol said:

Judean People's Front

The People's Front of Judea

[darrenm]

21 minutes ago, Rodders said:

40 percent of 18-25 year olds vote, 75% of the over 65s do. Roughly - according to the article a few pages back. Want the politicians to chase your vote? get out there and vote.

( ThoughI do also think the idea of chasing a vote is inherently depressing, just come up with good ideas in and of themselves that try and do their best for most people across the spectrum regardless please ) 

There is plenty of sleight of hand distraction, not least provoked by those with the influence to get people arguing over nonsense issues, whilst quietly pursuing other policies. The lobbying register a few years ago was an absolute waste of time, we still have very little transparency and whilst that's the case, it'll be bizarre emotional appeals playing on fear for votes, or bizarre jingoist bollocks that takes up headlines, whilst the matter of more entrenched problems are ignored or passed on for the next lot to deal with / handle with a pithy PR line that means nothing. 

It's quite intentional stirring up the racist shit and that's very depressing, directing people to inexplicably ludicious beliefs in a "simple" solution. There are none, but get far too many voters believing life is all better with a magic pill solution - be it closing borders, leaving the EU (  )  getting back blue passports, etc - and likewise investment schemes without plans etc, insults everyone, helps no-one and leads us all being very pissed off an annoyed that nothing ever really get's done. 

 

I think you're missing the real issues which are at stake. Diane Abbott got confused with numbers twice. That's what everyone's talking about so it must be the most important thing, right?

[snowychap]

8 hours ago, magnkarl said:

Yep, no problem. Search for Corbyn Press TV in google and read a few articles on his talks to Iranian TV (one of many examples). Corbyn is paid to hold talks just like May and any other high standing politician is. His extreme attitudes towards wealth are just a bit hypocritical when he'll gladly take money from Iran and quite extreme left leaning parts of our society to flout his agenda.

A quick search of 'Corbyn Press TV' returns this as the first article:

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Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn accepted up to £20,000 (about $27,000) for appearances on the Iranian state broadcast network Press TV — a channel that was banned in the UK for its part in filming the detention and torture of an Iranian journalist.

Corbyn was paid for appearances on Press TV five times between 2009 and 2012, according to his register of interests, available at this online House of Commons database.

Now, whilst any sort of appearance on Press TV (paid or otherwise) might not exactly be something to be shouting about, it isn't exactly what you wrote - JC earns a staggering 137k a year for doing the job he does BEFORE even mentioning the cash he takes in on going to countries like Palestine to hold talks - is it?

 

[magnkarl]

2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

What countries like Palestine has he been to?

Just list a few, no need for clever links, just say, a top 3 or 4 that you know of that are countries like Palestine that he's visited.

 

Iran Jan through March 2014, Palestine 2012, East Bank 2012.

[magnkarl]

2 minutes ago, snowychap said:

A quick search of 'Corbyn Press TV' returns this as the first article:

Now, whilst any sort of appearance on Press TV (paid or otherwise) might not exactly be something to be shouting about, it isn't exactly what you wrote - JC earns a staggering 137k a year for doing the job he does BEFORE even mentioning the cash he takes in on going to countries like Palestine to hold talks - is it?

 

The fact is he got caught out with Press TV (probably one of the worst TV channels in the world), he's paid just like any other politician to go and hold talks and air his views. Believing anything else when he got caught red handed with the worst is just naive. He's known to have leanings towards groupings that are known terrorist organisations (Hamas, Hizbollah etc), so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

[snowychap]

Just now, magnkarl said:

Iran Jan through March 2014

As part of a delegation of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Iran. The delegation was, apparently, made up of Jack Straw (Lab), Norman Lamont (Con), Corbyn (Lab) and Ben Wallace (Con).

Link:

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A UK parliamentary delegation consisting of Jack Straw MP and Ben Wallace MP (as Joint Chairs of the APPG) accompanied by Lord Lamont of Lerwick and Jeremy Corbyn MP visited Iran from 6-10 January 2014 at the invitation of the Majlis (the Islamic Parliament of Iran).

 

[magnkarl]

3 minutes ago, snowychap said:

As part of a delegation of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Iran. The delegation was, apparently, made up of Jack Straw (Lab), Norman Lamont (Con), Corbyn (Lab) and Ben Wallace (Con).

Link:

 

Yeah, the difference here is that the other politicians don't have ties to one of the most oppressive totalitarian regimes in the world. Corbyn got paid to hold a series of talks on an Iranian State TV channel that shows torture, executions and that spouts anti women, gay and freedom agenda all day long. 

Edited May 6, 2017 by magnkarl

[chrisp65]

Just now, magnkarl said:

Iran Jan through March 2014, Palestine 2012, East Bank 2012.

You know you lost that round, don't you?

 

[magnkarl]

Just now, chrisp65 said:

You know you lost that round, don't you?

 

I'm not arguing to "lose" or "win", the fact that I cannot be bothered to google Corbyn's movements past Iran and Palestine doesn't mean that the man hasn't done more of the sort of thing he did with Iran. Again, this isn't a TV debate where people will poll afterwords on how "Chrisp65" won the debate, it's about how Corbyn has plenty of dodgy dealings that he doesn't like to talk about.

[TrentVilla]

11 minutes ago, darrenm said:

I think you're missing the real issues which are at stake. Diane Abbott got confused with numbers twice. That's what everyone's talking about so it must be the most important thing, right?

She got confused once. The second time she tried to blag it and got caught out.

[chrisp65]

Just now, magnkarl said:

I'm not arguing to "lose" or "win", the fact that I cannot be bothered to google Corbyn's movements past Iran and Palestine doesn't mean that the man hasn't done more of the sort of thing he did with Iran. Again, this isn't a TV debate where people will poll afterwords on how "Chrisp65" won the debate, it's about how Corbyn has plenty of dodgy dealings that he doesn't like to talk about.

Well, I can't be bothered to google it or prove it either, but this current tory government sells bombs to terror states.

I'd count Cameron and May as complicit in murder. Though to be fair, they've never given a speech about the country of 'east bank'. 

[snowychap]

2 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

the fact that I cannot be bothered to google Corbyn's movements past Iran and Palestine doesn't mean that the man hasn't done more of the sort of thing he did with Iran

That sentence is a shocking indictment of what you have posted in this thread today.

[magnkarl]

1 minute ago, chrisp65 said:

Well, I can't be bothered to google it or prove it either, but this current tory government sells bombs to terror states.

I'd count Cameron and May as complicit in murder. Though to be fair, they've never given a speech about the country of 'east bank'. 

Call the West/East bank of Israel what you'd like. Palestinians consider it their country, so does Corbyn. If it were up to them they'd have both the West Bank (as you are trying to argue that I've mixed up with East Bank to make some sort of 'I win at internet' debate sarcasm point) and the East Bank, also known as Transjordan. If you are going to try to belittle someone then at least do your research first. I named you three categorical places where Corbyn has been and plied his interests and connections, you cannot be 'bothered' to show any sort of credible evidence of your arguments.

[darrenm]

11 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

She got confused once. The second time she tried to blag it and got caught out.

Sorry. 2nd most important thing behind whether she got confused or tried to blag it.

[chrisp65]

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

Call the West/East bank of Israel what you'd like. Palestinians consider it their country, so does Corbyn. If it were up to them they'd have both the West Bank (as you are trying to argue that I've mixed up with East Bank to make some sort of 'I win at internet' debate sarcasm point) and the East Bank, also known as Transjordan. If you are going to try to belittle someone then at least do your research first. I named you three categorical places where Corbyn has been and plied his interests and connections, you cannot be 'bothered' to show any sort of credible evidence of your arguments.

I asked you to name three or four countries like Palestine.

You named, Palestine, Palestine and Iran.

How do you think you'd have done on Family Fortunes?

 

[magnkarl]

Just now, chrisp65 said:

I asked you to name three or four countries like Palestine.

You named, Palestine, Palestine and Iran.

How do you think you'd have done on Family Fortunes?

 

Wrong. I named Palestine, Israel and Iran. Three countries. Go look at a map.

[darrenm]

1 minute ago, chrisp65 said:

I asked you to name three or four countries like Palestine.

You named, Palestine, Palestine and Iran.

How do you think you'd have done on Family Fortunes?

 

This isn't family fortunes. The fact remains he did something in the middle east so must be bad.

[magnkarl]

Just now, darrenm said:

This isn't family fortunes. The fact remains he did something in the middle east so must be bad.

Yeah, holding talks on Iranian state TV is no biggie. Compared to speaking at the socialist workers party conference I guess it's tiny.

[darrenm]

Just now, magnkarl said:

Yeah, holding talks on Iranian state TV is no biggie. Compared to speaking at the socialist workers party conference I guess it's tiny.

Compared to literally starving people to death from cutting disability benefits and changing the fit for work criteria due to pure ideology of hating the spongers off the state I'd call it tiny.

[magnkarl]

4 minutes ago, darrenm said:

Compared to literally starving people to death from cutting disability benefits and changing the fit for work criteria due to pure ideology of hating the spongers off the state I'd call it tiny.

I don't agree with those changes either, however I feel like Corbyn is ruining the opposition and any chance we have of a proper democracy by just being Corbyn. He can't talk about wanting everyone to be happy and at the same time support organisations like SWP, with an ideology who has killed 10s of millions of people in Ukraine, Soviet Union, China, Belarussia, North Korea etc etc. The socialist worker's party caused starvation on an industrial level in both China and Ukraine, this is nothing compared to a small minority in the UK having to go to food banks however sad that may be.

Edited May 6, 2017 by magnkarl