bickster Posted November 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: They want to speed up those repairs on the Kerch bridge before Ukraine come for Crimea Penny for Putlers thoughts right now September 2023 was their estimate last week. They found they needed more spans than they though and both carriageways were fubarred not one. And that was the Russians saying it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: Realistically it’d be extremely difficult for the Ukrainians to attack over the river though, even against a Russian force in disarray. It must be done, by drones, artillery and aircraft. It would be criminal to let to let the Russian Army roam around Ukraine doing whatever they like to whoever. We know what they do to innocent people, don't give them the chance. They are an invading force that must be run to the border unfortunately. Also, they get home and they help with the Russian economy long term, we don't want that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: September 2023 was their estimate last week. They found they needed more spans than they though and both carriageways were fubarred not one. And that was the Russians saying it. They just don't have the vehicles needed to span it, a Lada won't do it I suppose. Spoiler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 11, 2022 I assume Ukraine could build/repair a bridge then protect it with masses of air defence systems whilst they pass men and machines over it. Meanwhile their longer range artillery can ensure the bridge isn't shelled by Russian artillery? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Why would Ukraine want to keep that bridge at all? Why wouldn’t they completely destroy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 The last remaining partially operational bridge - Antonovskij - out of Kherson collapsed a few hours ago under extreme artillery fire from Ukraine. This isn't Dumbkirk, it's 10.000 Russians floating down shit creek. The casualties from this 'withdrawal' will be catastrophic for Russia. This is the few remaining professional soldiers of the 'second army' of the world being herded against a 2km spanning river under complete fire control by an extremely proficient artillery army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mandy Lifeboats Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 42 minutes ago, Genie said: Why would Ukraine want to keep that bridge at all? Why wouldn’t they completely destroy it? This is a difficult one. If it were taken down by professionals during peacetime it would not be a problem. If it was blown up during wartime it could create problems for shipping. Ukraine has occupied ports to the north of the bridge. Keeping the waterway open benefits Ukraine. We also need to factor in that relationships between Ukraine and Russia will eventually improve. The bridge is an asset to both. Keeping the bridge closed to heavy traffic makes sense in the short term. But in the long term it’s better to keep the majority intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I think the atrocities in Kherson when known will be far higher than elsewhere when uncovered, being a very pro Ukrainian City. The good news though.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: This is a difficult one. If it were taken down by professionals during peacetime it would not be a problem. If it was blown up during wartime it could create problems for shipping. Ukraine has occupied ports to the north of the bridge. Keeping the waterway open benefits Ukraine. We also need to factor in that relationships between Ukraine and Russia will eventually improve. The bridge is an asset to both. Keeping the bridge closed to heavy traffic makes sense in the short term. But in the long term it’s better to keep the majority intact. I think Ukraine are of the opinion that the Bridge needs to come down regardless of the state of antipathy between the two countries as it was built in rather a hurry for such a project and wasn't build to an acceptable standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted November 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, magnkarl said: The last remaining partially operational bridge - Antonovskij - out of Kherson collapsed a few hours ago under extreme artillery fire from Ukraine. Russians destroyed it not Ukraine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It must be done, by drones, artillery and aircraft. It would be criminal to let to let the Russian Army roam around Ukraine doing whatever they like to whoever. We know what they do to innocent people, don't give them the chance. They are an invading force that must be run to the border unfortunately. Also, they get home and they help with the Russian economy long term, we don't want that either. They don’t need to attack over the massive river to drive the Russians out, Ukraine holds territory to the north which is on the eastern bank. They can just attack south from that instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted November 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2022 Its got a bit busier since then... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: Its got a bit busier since then... Humiliating for Russia. You love to see it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 We must be realistically getting to a point where a full retreat could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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