snowychap Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, a m ole said: Grieve’s amendment effectively means next to no chance of No Deal, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: That said, I also wouldn't be standing in the House of Commons with a string of rose gold anal beads around my neck either. Nah, that's a rosary. She's praying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 So are we any nearer to:- 1. A Second referendum 2. A General Election 3.A Tory Leadership Contest 4. Staying fully in the EU ? In short .....what happens next ? (in your opinion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, hippo said: So are we any nearer to:- 1. A Second referendum 2. A General Election 3.A Tory Leadership Contest 4. Staying fully in the EU ? In short .....what happens next ? (in your opinion) Nearer to all of them than we were 24 hours ago. Literally and politically. Still quite a long way from all of them. (3) is the likely next thing to happen of the four from your list though. Edited December 4, 2018 by ml1dch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Nearer to all of them than we were 24 hours ago. Literally and politically. Still quite a long way from all of them. (3) is the likely next thing to happen of the four from your list though. 3 is inevitable, though a few more days/weeks of blood sports to go before it happens. 2 is what many will seek to avoid, but it may become inevitable as a consequence of other things. 1 may happen at the point where people both believe it's safe to do so, and they need political cover. 4 is likely to happen, one way or another. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Urgent! Start growing your own food! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Could you just imagine Grayling in charge of food rationing! Civil servants trying to explain to him why you can't give people chips once the potatoes have all gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, hippo said: So are we any nearer to:- 1. A Second referendum 2. A General Election 3.A Tory Leadership Contest 4. Staying fully in the EU ? In short .....what happens next ? (in your opinion) 4. Is the most likely outcome imo the desl is shit , no deal has become that little bit harder thanks to Grieve , more and more “fear related” headlines being pushed , May will lose the first vote , go back to the EU , get no concessions , parliament will refer it back to the public and the ECJ will kindly slot the last piece of the jigsaw in place and rule that we can withdraw article 50 then the leavers will start asking for another referendum whilst remainers will say we had one and you can’t have another one , get over it etc Edited December 4, 2018 by tonyh29 Slot , not slit !! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Could you just imagine Grayling in charge of food rationing! Civil servants trying to explain to him why you can't give people chips once the potatoes have all gone. Last year we were a net exporter of potatoes to the EU ... just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Could you just imagine Grayling in charge of food rationing! I absolutely can. He would be the archetypal beadle, from Dickens. It's probably a role he aspires to. Suit him down to the ground. Arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, tonyh29 said: Last year we were a net exporter of potatoes to the EU ... just saying This'll have to stop if we're to prove we can strike our own trade deals. I suggest we sell half as many, but to Mexico. I doubt they've even heard of potatoes over there, could be a whole new world of opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 4, 2018 Project Fear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: This'll have to stop if we're to prove we can strike our own trade deals. I suggest we sell half as many, but to Mexico. I doubt they've even heard of potatoes over there, could be a whole new world of opportunity. Maybe we can swap them with the Mexicans for these patata things that they eat , they sound kinda exotic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 No thank you, don't want any of that foreign muck, I'll stick with my curry and chips. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 8 hours ago, chrisp65 said: I doubt they've even heard of potatoes over there, could be a whole new world of opportunity. Excellent idea. The country should Raleigh to your call. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Astonishing performance by Mrs Loathsome on the Today programme. Instead of accepting with good grace the assertion of Parliament's authority on the legal advice, she is chiding MPs for requiring its publication, saying they will live to regret it. She quotes lawyer-client confidentiality, without recognising that the decision to which the advice pertains is one for Parliament, not just the present ragbag of postholders that calls itself a government. She goes on to suggest, without quite stating it explicitly, that the decision to leave has been made by the government, and that Parliament can't change it. I can't work out if she is simply unaware of the constitutional implications of what she is saying, or if she is intentionally proposing a state of affairs which Parliament has explicitly rejected, and if so, to what end. In either case, building support is clearly not on her mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Regrets, I've had a few... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, peterms said: She goes on to suggest, without quite stating it explicitly, that the decision to leave has been made by the government, and that Parliament can't change it. I can't work out if she is simply unaware of the constitutional implications of what she is saying, or if she is intentionally proposing a state of affairs which Parliament has explicitly rejected, and if so, to what end. I don't think she's unaware. She is very much the want-to-be autocrat (as much as she is allowed to be). She announced the 2017 election in front of her lectern outside number 10 as though it was still her sole decision to make (rather than a decision needed to be made by two thirds of the Commons). Look at the other things like: Miller; the A50 case in front of the CJEU; the government's attitude to opposition day debates and motions; the outright lies that are given to parliament by Ministers and which go unpunished (she's the arbiter of the Ministerial code so the two arguments are either that she's too weak to enforce it or that this is part of her playbook and I tend towards the latter). I'm sure there's plenty more but to nick a phrase from Ed Vaisey when asked last night to list the errors made by Cameron in and around the referendum in 2016, "I only have six minutes." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, snowychap said: I don't think she's unaware. She is very much the want-to-be autocrat (as much as she is allowed to be). She announced the 2017 election in front of her lectern outside number 10 as though it was still her sole decision to make (rather than a decision needed to be made by two thirds of the Commons). I think he's talking about Leadsom, not May. Although I'm sure their views would be pretty much in sync on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I think he's talking about Leadsom, not May. Ah. My mistake. Having cautioned Peter against being a bit tunnel vision on something in another thread, I have done precisely the same here. Apologies. Edit: If it was about Leasdom then I'm definitely going for the 'simply unaware' angle. Edited December 5, 2018 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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