Rugeley Villa Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Looked into Reclaim Party and it’s not someone I’d vote for. I don’t mind a bit of nationalism but too much of it can limit a country and stop progression . It’s ok saying British values for British people etc etc but you’ve got to look at the bigger picture. With the state the country is in I think the next vote is really important . The Tory government were unlucky having to deal with Brexit although many voted leave, and then Covid which has now lead to borderline economic crisis. I don’t have any faith that Labour would have faired much better, but we need a clear direction and a plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted October 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: The Tory government were unlucky having to deal with Brexit Eh? They were "unlucky" in having to deal with their flagship policy of the last seven years, having been the only mainstream party that wanted it to happen? 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted October 1, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: the state the country is in I think the next vote is really important . The Tory government were unlucky having to deal with Brexit How was having to deal with something that f***ing idiots caused unlucky? Its entirely their fault And they managed to make a pigs ear out of it too Luck really has nothing to do with it. F***wittery and incompetence yes, luck, definitely not 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Eh? They were "unlucky" in having to deal with their flagship policy of the last seven years, having been the only mainstream party that wanted it to happen? That’s why I said many voted for it. Some were against it were they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 1, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said: The Tory government were unlucky having to deal with Brexit Yeah, they were dealt a really shitty hand there. Can't help but feel sorry for them. Shame someone wasn't in charge who actually wanted it. Edited October 1, 2023 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted October 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: That’s why I said many voted for it. Some were against it were they not? It only happened because of Tories. No other party. Even those who didn't want it to happen, caused it to happen. So they're not "unlucky". They're just c****. All of them. Edited October 1, 2023 by ml1dch 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, bickster said: How was having to deal with something that f***ing idiots caused unlucky? Its entirely their fault And they managed to make a pigs ear out of it too Luck really has nothing to do with it. F***wittery and incompetence yes, luck, definitely not I get that Bicks but the people voted. How’s it been dealt with is a shambles, which it always was going to be . I guess what I’m trying to say it’s been a very testing few years and we need a way out of it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: I get that Bicks but the people voted. Because the Tories told them that they had to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Looked into Reclaim Party and it’s not someone I’d vote for. I don’t mind a bit of nationalism but too much of it can limit a country and stop progression . It’s ok saying British values for British people etc etc but you’ve got to look at the bigger picture. With the state the country is in I think the next vote is really important . The Tory government were unlucky having to deal with Brexit although many voted leave, and then Covid which has now lead to borderline economic crisis. I don’t have any faith that Labour would have faired much better, but we need a clear direction and a plan. It’s something I’ve said a few times, they were really unlucky the way they decided for themselves to load a gun, point that loaded gun at their own foot and pull the trigger. Nobody could have known it would **** hurt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: It only happened because of Tories. No other party. Even those who didn't want it to happen, caused it to happen. So they're not "unlucky". They're just c****. All of them. I may have worded it wrong politics not my strong point. Either way brexit had to be dealt with then Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted October 1, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I may have worded it wrong politics not my strong point. Either way brexit had to be dealt with then Covid. Well Brexit only had to be dealt with in the first place because the Tory party were haemorrhaging votes to UKIP. Leaving the EU was in no way a majority opinion before the Tory Party decided to appeal to its throbber wing (which at the time was very much a minority) who were threatening to join UKIP (one of them actually did). Be under no allusions (copyright SWP) the only reason Brexit was even a thing was an act of Tory self-preservation. Remember, even in 2010, after 3 terms of Labour and a global financial meltdown, the Tories actually need a coalition to get into power. It was their solution to offer a referendum. Its all down to the Tories, no one else 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 You know what they say if you know very little about a subject keep out of it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Leaving the EU was in no way a majority opinion before the Tory Party decided to appeal to its throbber wing (which at the time was very much a minority) who were threatening to join UKIP (one of them actually did). Two I think. Mark Reckless and Douglas Carswell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 1, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Two I think. Mark Reckless and Douglas Carswell. I'd completely forgotten Reckless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, bickster said: I'd completely forgotten Reckless. Part of me wants to mock him for his hilarious downward political trajectory (currently out of office after his Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party lost both of their Senedd seats in 2021). But then, he's already achieved his shitty, treasonous life goals. So he's probably already had the last laugh whatever happens next. Until we rejoin in the late 2030s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted October 1, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 1, 2023 51 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: You know what they say if you know very little about a subject keep out of it. Pity Boris didn't follow that advice and stick to building bridges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 5 hours ago, bickster said: That is genuinely shocking. It is incredibly easy to decide the actual date of something when you get first pick. You want the last week of conference season. And with something that also has a profound effect too. Done a bit more digging, and either I misremembered what I'd read or read something partisan and wrong - but worth correcting nonetheless. So not a massive cock-up, just all sides acting with a bit more maturity than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 1, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Done a bit more digging, and either I misremembered what I'd read or read something partisan and wrong - but worth correcting nonetheless. So not a massive cock-up, just all sides acting with a bit more maturity than usual. Fairy nuff I guess but it does give Labour an advantage too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 1, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 1, 2023 Grant Shapps is announcing troop movements at Tory Conference? Firstly, they are bog standard NATO troop rotations and secondly Party Conference really isn’t the place for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted October 1, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Seat68 said: I didn't get that question. I was 90% Count Binface and 90% Labour. The other suggested were in the 80s and left wing parties. SDP? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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